Generic leaf to all trees

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Generic leaf to all trees

Postby Liss12 » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:06 am

All trees that don't have special leaves and perhaps some of the bushes should yield generic leaves that can be used in recipies that asks for "any leaf". It's kinda silly and counterintuitive that you sometimes can't make pitbaked food because you can't find a single leaf in a middle of a forest. Can also be used as affordable early game swill.
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Re: Generic leaf to all trees

Postby Mashadar » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:25 am

Only certain trees such as maple or mulberries can grow large enough leaves that you can comfortably wrap food in it.
Similarly, only certain leaves would provide any significant nutritional value to animals, so doing this for all trees wouldn't be that realistic either.
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Re: Generic leaf to all trees

Postby bumfrog » Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:44 pm

at least for non-coniferous trees this would make sense. It’s dumb and unintuitive that only, like, 6 out of the 100 trees give leaves.
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Re: Generic leaf to all trees

Postby Sevenless » Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:30 pm

Mashadar wrote:Only certain trees such as maple or mulberries can grow large enough leaves that you can comfortably wrap food in it.
Similarly, only certain leaves would provide any significant nutritional value to animals, so doing this for all trees wouldn't be that realistic either.


Realism isn't a meaningful argument in haven as a video game, we have a lot of unrealistic and outright fantastical elements. Immersion issues might be valid, but I really don't think your average player would pay attention or care about birch trees being able to produce leaf wrappings for food. Heck, mulberry leaves aren't used for food wrapping irl either.

The question comes down to a convenience/gameplay impact concept more than anything. And sure, it's not really a big problem but it doesn't seem like a hard change to make either?
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Re: Generic leaf to all trees

Postby Liss12 » Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:34 pm

Mashadar wrote:Only certain trees such as maple or mulberries can grow large enough leaves that you can comfortably wrap food in it.
Similarly, only certain leaves would provide any significant nutritional value to animals, so doing this for all trees wouldn't be that realistic either.

Plants that are traditionally used for this application such as a burdock does not exist in hafen, realism my ass.
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Re: Generic leaf to all trees

Postby vatas » Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:55 pm

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Re: Generic leaf to all trees

Postby Mashadar » Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:07 pm

Sevenless wrote:Realism isn't a meaningful argument in haven as a video game, we have a lot of unrealistic and outright fantastical elements.

Yes, but it was brought up in the original post, that it is counterintuitive that you can't find any leaves in a forest. The counter to that argument is that it would be similarly counterintuitive if the game let you wrap food with the leaves of an ash tree.

Sevenless wrote:Immersion issues might be valid, but I really don't think your average player would pay attention or care about birch trees being able to produce leaf wrappings for food.

A decent amount of research went into some aspects in the game and even if a player does not recognize every little thing that has a connection to real life and history, most people are still able to recognize that.

Sevenless wrote:The question comes down to a convenience/gameplay impact concept more than anything. And sure, it's not really a big problem but it doesn't seem like a hard change to make either?

There is a lot of things I could say on the topic of game design, but I'd like you to give some thought about what the most convenient game would be like. Wouldn't it be convenient if the game told you "you win" without having to do anything? But since this is not about any gameplay system that is in any way relevant, none of that is important.
The best argument you can probably make is that the game is already complex enough and replacing all existing leaves with a generic leaf type would simplify things a little.
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