Credo into perks rework

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Credo into perks rework

Postby terechgracz » Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:08 am

Remove credos and implement perk system. It's more flexible.
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Re: Credo into perks rework

Postby Sevenless » Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:25 pm

terechgracz wrote:Remove credos and implement perk system. It's more flexible.


"Perk system" isn't specific. What would a perk system look like to you?
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Re: Credo into perks rework

Postby kirillius98 » Sat Oct 15, 2022 6:36 pm

Sevenless wrote:
terechgracz wrote:Remove credos and implement perk system. It's more flexible.


"Perk system" isn't specific. What would a perk system look like to you?


He means that he is not happy with credo system and he imaginated how cool it would be if you could choose direct bonuses (as skill system works) one by one to customise gameplay. What do you think, will it work?
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Re: Credo into perks rework

Postby terechgracz » Sun Oct 16, 2022 10:54 am

Exactly. To get perk you'd need to complete quests like now but you could choose perks in any order you want. There could be perk levels and prerequisites. For example perk: Herb Mastery can be 3 level perk that gives 5% quality for harvested herbs per level.
IMO cooler.
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Re: Credo into perks rework

Postby Sevenless » Sun Oct 16, 2022 1:04 pm

I think it could work just fine for sure. I really like the flavour of the credo system though, it can be a pain and a bit stiff in some ways but it feels much more uniquely haven to me than a generic "get points and buy upgrades system".

Credo system definitely has flaws in places that need touching up. Fixing mystic was a great first step on that one.
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Re: Credo into perks rework

Postby ctopolon4 » Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:17 pm

Sevenless wrote:Fixing mystic was a great first step on that one.

lol nice fix.. add more undoable time gated quests (dont miss to eat 10 shroom in 7 hrs & hope you found it in autmn (fixed) and spend 160 clay & 24 hrs to pots because you need alot of this fungus )
& DEVs cant make enough quests to make them not repeat
& DEVs are happy when here is impossible quests for abandon...sometimes you cant win bcause god not bless rng()... happy fun roll machine for players who wanna progress, and some suffering and 2 month per credo if you dont use roll(abandon) machine
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Re: Credo into perks rework

Postby kirillius98 » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:39 pm

ctopolon4 wrote:
Sevenless wrote:Fixing mystic was a great first step on that one.

lol nice fix.. add more undoable time gated quests (dont miss to eat 10 shroom in 7 hrs & hope you found it in autmn (fixed) and spend 160 clay & 24 hrs to pots because you need alot of this fungus )
& DEVs cant make enough quests to make them not repeat
& DEVs are happy when here is impossible quests for abandon...sometimes you cant win bcause god not bless rng()... happy fun roll machine for players who wanna progress, and some suffering and 2 month per credo if you dont use roll(abandon) machine

If you think that this rework made it harder to do mystic credo - you just don't how foragables work
I collected around 20 liberty caps in half an hour and I only needed to eat 10-12 of them at once to get quest complete
If you want more quests - give ideas for quests
The credo system needs to be improved but nobody knows how to make them better than now.
If you REALLY want to make them better - write a BIG ARTICLE about FULL SYSTEM REWORK with all the small details being explained and MAYBE SOME OF THIS IMPROVEMENTS will be implemented if the future
If you only say "Credos bad, improve pls" - nothing will change
If you say "Change credos to perks pls" - nothing will change
If you say "Add better quests pls" - nothing will change
BUT
If you say "Make stats from credo green" - this will probably work
If you say "Remove opium quests from mystic and add them only to a wandering sage credo" - this will probably work
If you say "Add new system for character development which will improve by spending points in different specialities and by player activities" - this will probably work
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Re: Credo into perks rework

Postby Sevenless » Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:25 pm

ctopolon4 wrote:
Sevenless wrote:Fixing mystic was a great first step on that one.

lol nice fix.. add more undoable time gated quests (dont miss to eat 10 shroom in 7 hrs & hope you found it in autmn (fixed) and spend 160 clay & 24 hrs to pots because you need alot of this fungus )
& DEVs cant make enough quests to make them not repeat
& DEVs are happy when here is impossible quests for abandon...sometimes you cant win bcause god not bless rng()... happy fun roll machine for players who wanna progress, and some suffering and 2 month per credo if you dont use roll(abandon) machine


Aren't you the one who called 5 notes and 10 guano trivial for a small village/hermit to gather?

You have really weird opinions on what is and isn't doable for people. Q10 Garden pots are hard but multi week time gated resources that other villages are competing for are easy?
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Re: Credo into perks rework

Postby Reiber » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:46 pm

ctopolon4 wrote:
Sevenless wrote:Fixing mystic was a great first step on that one.

lol nice fix.. add more undoable time gated quests (dont miss to eat 10 shroom in 7 hrs & hope you found it in autmn (fixed) and spend 160 clay & 24 hrs to pots because you need alot of this fungus )
& DEVs cant make enough quests to make them not repeat
& DEVs are happy when here is impossible quests for abandon...sometimes you cant win bcause god not bless rng()... happy fun roll machine for players who wanna progress, and some suffering and 2 month per credo if you dont use roll(abandon) machine



i mean quests repeating isnt an issue imo. especially if your doing hundreds of quests for an creedo and abandon twice as much.
and i am with you on the devs attitude that letting rng decide if you finish an creedo in houres or dont finish untill worldreset is garbage.

but mystic only got improved. (aside from them disabling rain and denieing it whenever asked about it even though they probbably could have checked if rain was on in aproximately 4 seconds)
all quests added are easily doable, in every season bar winter by every level of player.
and you can litterally forage hundreds of libertycaps in an few houres, why you would feel the need too make gardenpots for an recource you need almost exclusively for one creedo is beyond me.
everybody has access to drugs via pipeweed and libertycaps are just lying on the ground arpund you everywhere just leave base for once.

btw. opium shoudlnt be that big of an bottleneck for you, its basically the only reason to farm poppy now, just sow out some excess seeds and let them sit,
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