lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

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lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

Postby SiO2 » Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:10 pm

Right now it is just a rummaging.
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Re: lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

Postby loftar » Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:03 am

Why shouldn't it be?
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Re: lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

Postby Massa » Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:38 am

loftar wrote:Why shouldn't it be?

it is not and it should be

in fact, it should be vandalism, if the lock is destroyed in the process. a picked lock is worse than a mere tresspassing, it is breaking and entering. criminal intent. surreptitious entry.

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Re: lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

Postby loftar » Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:26 pm

Massa wrote:it is not and it should be

I meant why it shouldn't be rummaging, as it said in the contents of the OP. Since the lock is not destroyed in the process, and so doesn't really change the state of anything in itself, I thought it makes sense that it's just rummaging. Seems to me that Theft should be reserved for when you use the fact that you picked the lock to actually steal something, no?
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Re: lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

Postby SiO2 » Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:27 pm

Ok, here is problem. I tried to set up accessible palisaded personal claim with private house (minehole in house). Public threspass+rummaging to open anti-boar fences behind visitor gates and lock for house... however lockpicking turned out to be a rummaging crime too, which made impossible convenient and theft-proof public pclaim design. To be honest I guess final decision should be based on ways how people use locks in other places. So far "rummaging" locks looks completely useless to me, but may be I miss some other ways how people use it?
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Re: lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

Postby vatas » Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:36 pm

Root issue: same permission (rummaging) applies to two wildly different things, you can't allow one and disallow the other. (Opening any unlocked gate on the claim, and lockpicking anything on the claim.)
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Re: lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

Postby jock » Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:49 pm

Or we can get more perms LIke lock picking, Lifting, leading etc.

The big problem for many markets or public tools is the lack of specifics on permissions.

you can make a cauldron public to use but can't take anything out of it or that theft but with theft they can pick up the cauldron.

At best it becomes a juggling act and guessing game with the current limited permission system.
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Re: lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

Postby r0ck4ev3r » Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:02 pm

loftar wrote:
Massa wrote:it is not and it should be

I meant why it shouldn't be rummaging, as it said in the contents of the OP. Since the lock is not destroyed in the process, and so doesn't really change the state of anything in itself, I thought it makes sense that it's just rummaging. Seems to me that Theft should be reserved for when you use the fact that you picked the lock to actually steal something, no?


Would concur: picking a lock is, at worst, an act of rummaging.
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Re: lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

Postby Clemins » Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:56 pm

r0ck4ev3r wrote:
loftar wrote:
Massa wrote:it is not and it should be

I meant why it shouldn't be rummaging, as it said in the contents of the OP. Since the lock is not destroyed in the process, and so doesn't really change the state of anything in itself, I thought it makes sense that it's just rummaging. Seems to me that Theft should be reserved for when you use the fact that you picked the lock to actually steal something, no?


Would concur: picking a lock is, at worst, an act of rummaging.


Why hasn't anyone use this as defense in a breaking and entering court case yet?
Oh, right, because breaking and entering typically displays intent of a "greater" crime such as burglary, aka "theft"

Either way I don't care, if loftar says it's rummaging then that's cool too, redhand is hella annoying enough as it is.
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Re: lockpicking should be at least a theft crime

Postby Zephroze » Mon Oct 02, 2023 2:51 pm

Irl lockpicking is considered breaking and entering, whereas just entering is trespassing.

The lock also stays irl, but breaking into a place is by no means an innocent act where trespassing could be.

Rummaging simply means looking into something. Picking a lock is not simply looking into something. You're bypassing a security feature by force. I'd call it vandalism.
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