opinion on smaller world and how crime works

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opinion on smaller world and how crime works

Postby wonder-ass » Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:00 am

My biggest gripe with the current crime system in haven is that nobody will ever find the scents that I litter all over my region.
no one and I mean absolutely no fighter is gonna travel 50 mins to grab my scent and have a chance at finding me.

this is all because the map is so abnormally large on a server with a 1k pop, I can kill and beat whoever I want with 0 repercussions because I know that the majority of fighters are lazy and won't go looking for me.
now this wouldn't be such an issue if thingwalls the content created to mitigate this didn't cost a metric fuck ton of will to travel anywhere.

either do 1 of the 2 things. make the world smaller so that it takes a minimum of 10/20 mins to go find my ass, or make it so thingwalls cost nothing so that anyone can travel to my location in mere minutes.
if you want to slow down the griefers make them run into other fighters, i have in all my time of playing haven not once run into a fighter while beating up people. nobody has ever tracked my scents why? fix this.

also fighters tend to not fight with out a snek so might as well just allow thingwall teleporting them? when im traveling around im always on snek it would be downright impossible to track me on foot.

I'm willing to take harsher penalties on Redland and outlaw if the world is smaller.

The way scents work is so unintuitive and stupid in general that I have never bothered to track anyone good, let alone go and grab their scents. Here is my proposed idea to spice up the pvp scene. remove the teleport timer on redhand and make the redhand timer 2 hours. Allow players to scry thingwall regions for active scents, all the scents located in said region will be displayed unkinned/unmemod players will be shown as ???, and if memod will display the memo name. u can spend an x amount of xp to retrieve said scent. with this scent u can right click any thingwall and it'll allow u to teleport directly to said players thingwall region without cost.

here are a few proposed ideas in no order just random thoughts that are up for debate.
  • using said scent to teleport to redhanded players region, region locks the player for x minutes not allowing teleports.
  • using said scent directly on the player region locks the player not allowing teleports for x minutes.
  • depending on how high redhanded players int/stealth vs exp/perc is, it'll show ??? regardless of memo.
  • horses should not be allowed through thingwalls ever.
  • sneks should be allowed through thingwalls. (not sure about this one)
  • scents should have unlimited uses only the cone is affected by int/stealth vs exp/perc.
  • You cannot search a region if it's unknown to you.
  • if the int/stealth is vastly higher than your perc/exp you won't find it in the list.
  • (my fav idea from this list) leaving an enormous amount of scents in said region and being in active redhand will show your name to players that enter said region as a warning or a hint.
  • thingwalls count the total amount of scents u have in that region and depending on the amount will commit its own justice on you by removing your knockout protection for that region.
  • if the region you're searching is under your control retrieving said scent is free no xp cost.
  • a character can only scry every x mins to prevent bots perma scrying for active scents

thingwalls are such a great addition to the game but are so underutilized. this shouldn't effect the pvp scene at all since its linked to active scents and not outlaw.
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Re: opinion on smaller world and how crime works

Postby APXEOLOG » Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:07 am

If you want some fights why don't you just go to a big faction's village and start messing with them? Destroy their milestones for example. I'm pretty sure it will spice your life enough.

I can kill and beat whoever I want with 0 repercussions because I know that the majority of fighters are lazy and won't go looking for me

And what makes you think that it will not be the same with a smaller map? Why would anyone go and track some random guy? It can very well be some random spruce cap that is not worth killing
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Re: opinion on smaller world and how crime works

Postby wonder-ass » Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:13 am

APXEOLOG wrote:If you want some fights why don't you just go to a big faction's village and start messing with them? Destroy their milestones for example. I'm pretty sure it will spice your life enough.

I can kill and beat whoever I want with 0 repercussions because I know that the majority of fighters are lazy and won't go looking for me

And what makes you think that it will not be the same with a smaller map? Why would anyone go and track some random guy? It can very well be some random spruce cap that is not worth killing


with my proposed idea you wont need a smaller map, also did you READ? when you scry it shows their names if u ever memod them so in this case if i really wanted to go find you and kill you i would see APEX.
i have gone to enemy bases 50 thousand times people coming outside is a myth nobody wants to fight under these conditions. this idea is proposed so that people start ganking again something that literally doesn't exist.
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Re: opinion on smaller world and how crime works

Postby Sevenless » Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:46 am

These ideas sound scary as hell in terms of abuse. I think you need to rethink your suggestions

>using said scent to teleport to redhanded players region, region locks the player for x minutes not allowing teleports.

Instant summoning a goon squad on a redhanded theft alt taunting you at your gate that you go chase to ko? Balanced and intended.
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Re: opinion on smaller world and how crime works

Postby wonder-ass » Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:04 pm

region locking the SCENTED player btw not the player tracking. and if you risk and are willing to track a ??? player thats on you? since yano when you scry it would show OZZY as the memo not a random theft alt. and if a goon squad were to show up it would be a normal pvp scenario since nobody ever ganks alone.

name more abuse i literally cant think of anything other than maybe a crappier version of charter where you make scent alts to teleport to for free.
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