Sword of Stroms did nothing wrong

[DonVelD]

ur not upsetting anyone at this point its embarassing



get a job

[MightySheep]

Haven pvp was very low skill ceiling to begin with now but its now so low that you could literally have a non haven playing friend log into your account for a group fight and have them be the exact same level of skill as a 10 year veteran and I'm not even saying that to exaggerate or be dramatic, it is literally that bad. What possible skill expression can a 10 year veteran provide that a fresh player can't? Both are just running in and pressing 1 button. Even the small degree of skill involved in running has just been removed.

Haven PvP so basic that I can summarize the difference between SoS meta and previous metas in 1 sentence:
Storm of sword meta = 'aggro closest target and spam 1 button'
Jugular meta = 'call a target in voice and spam 1 button'
Blue/red Cleave meta = 'Call a target in voice, open with 4-5 diff moves in coordination with cleave player for finishing move'

Coordination no longer required. Target calling no longer required. This combat system is now dumbed down to a degree that cant be compared with any other game. I've played online flash games with more depth.

[Dawidio123]

Ever heard of easy to learn, easy to master? I think SoS being easy to learn and brainless is perfect. Especially since it excels in group fights and is still good in low numbers and 1v1s.
It became the meta in large group fights and is just good at literally fucking everything.

ftfy, you almost dropped the act but i'm here to help you out in the time of need

It's also ass at chasing, and only works defensively when 'genius pvpers' run right into your lines.' Ever gonna point that out?

So your solution is that you should never engage the other party and have them chase you? Well that sounds like a lot of fun, especially when the other party is not willing to give chase.
No move should be able (BY ITSELF) to make you unable to engage the other party.
And btw. it's fine at chasing if you are actually able to stick to someone and run paralel to them, i guess that's too advanced for people that run into trees and can't click critter like you guys. If you can't stick on target with multiple people then obviously decks that are better at 1v1 will work better for chasing.

[overtyped]

So your solution is that you should never engage the other party and have them chase you? Well that sounds like a lot of fun, especially when the other party is not willing to give chase.
No move should be able (BY ITSELF) to make you unable to engage the other party.

Nope, what has been beating us is pushing in all together and not stopping. Storm is low dmg, when a concerted all in is made, the build can't stop it, since it relies on poke, not ko's. This is exactly what crushed us during the first few siege defenses. Did storm seem so op when it was losing badly?

[Dawidio123]

So your solution is that you should never engage the other party and have them chase you? Well that sounds like a lot of fun, especially when the other party is not willing to give chase.
No move should be able (BY ITSELF) to make you unable to engage the other party.

Nope, what has been beating us is pushing in all together and not stopping. Storm is low dmg, when a concerted all in is made, the build can't stop it, since it relies on poke, not ko's. This is exactly what crushed us during the first few siege defenses. Did storm seem so op when it was losing badly?

It has been working only because you scatter when pushed instead of staying together and pushing back with SoS, saying it's poke is just false, get hit at 70 openings (2-3 SoS) as 3-4th target and it's no longer just poke. Also we've been running SoS and Raven's bite/Cleave deck focused on blue (uac bois) for almost all fights during siege, since we realized there is no winning by just using red/blue vs SoS at those numbers without some unrealistic coordination.

[overtyped]

So your solution is that you should never engage the other party and have them chase you? Well that sounds like a lot of fun, especially when the other party is not willing to give chase.
No move should be able (BY ITSELF) to make you unable to engage the other party.

Nope, what has been beating us is pushing in all together and not stopping. Storm is low dmg, when a concerted all in is made, the build can't stop it, since it relies on poke, not ko's. This is exactly what crushed us during the first few siege defenses. Did storm seem so op when it was losing badly?

It has been working only because you scatter when pushed instead of staying together and pushing back with SoS, saying it's poke is just false, get hit at 70 openings (2-3 SoS) as 3-4th target and it's no longer just poke. Also we've been running SoS and Raven's bite/Cleave deck focused on blue (uac bois) for almost all fights during siege

Just lies. At almost all points you guys ran exclusively kito opp knocks cleave.

[DonVelD]

Just lies. At almost all points you guys ran exclusively kito opp knocks cleave.

[Dawidio123]

Just lies. At almost all points you guys ran exclusively kito opp knocks cleave.

Gonna take some screencaps from the Clemins video (which tbf doesn't show most KOs), obviously people who chased after you swapped to cleave (although first guy swapped to it after 1v1ing you a bit in raven's bite) because they wanted to get a kill not just a ko. We also run QB for shitters you sent in without zig zag to bash catas.








There is more and much more has been left undocumented, but that's hardly exclusive kito opk cleave decks retard. Although for sure we had some cleave bois with low melee that focued on blue with some red (although it didn't make much sense since you already had to zig zag because of our SoS). But don't worry if SoS remains unchanged every single one of us is going to go for melee cutblade build next world and just run it, I guess THEN you will complain about it.

[overtyped]

Whoa, so you are using a whole range of different builds like ravens bite for different scenarios instead of just kito/cleave for everything? Seems like a big problem, the devs should know immediately. We should simplify the game again by letting only kito cleave be good. #nerf storm/ravens bite, everything that isn't kito cleave.

I think it's a problem when people troll the devs who don't know anything about pvp into thinking certain things make sense. For example, giving kito a 1 coin cost is literally trolling someone who doesn't understand how silly that is.

Giving 1 coin to a move wherein the only defense against it gives 2 coins. It's a troll. When will we discuss the abuse of the devs lack of knowledge?

[Dawidio123]

Whoa, so you are using a whole range of different builds like ravens bite for different scenarios instead of just kito/cleave for everything? Seems like a big problem, the devs should know immediately.

Raven's bite were people who couldn't just swap to SoS and needed to be able to hit yellow, we would do better if everyone just went SoS tbh. But i guess our discussion ends here since your arguments are clearly in bad faith and i don't see a point in continuing.
Edit:

And also your crying about KITO is something idc about, i didn't run KITO this whole world because i'm a cutblade boy, you can make very nice decks by focusing on blue with it. Your imaginary world where the only deck people run in red/blue is kito opk cleave is just not real.