Rework Movement Speed

[Mepp]

-remove the Stamina bar
-remove the "Crawl-Walk-Run-Sprint" toggle
-remove forager/slipper passives
-remove the 1% speed boost you get from queued combat moves

-make "Walk" the default speed
-add different passive and active skills to change your character's speed

Passive skills:
Only one passive skill can be active. Switching passives causes you to "Walk" for a few secondes. Others can see which passive you use.
-Run: Always active when not in combat.
-Forage and Wander: "Crawl" or "Walk" to increase your per*exp (stolen from Salem)
-Pursuit: Slightly faster than "Run" when chasing players (auto-activates when you initiate combat)
-Frenzy: "Sprint" that consumes SHP and increases your openings (if any)
-Panic: "Run" while in combat. Makes you unable to damage players even after the effect ends (toggle: activates when in combat)

Active skills:
While active, these skills will overwrite your passive skill.
-Sprint: For a moment (short cooldown)
-Haul: "Run" while lifting an object ("Crawl" afterwards)
-Sneak: "Crawl" and become invisible after a brief delay. Players can reveal you. (3 minute duration, 1h cooldown)
-Escape: Very long "Sprint". Makes you unable to perform combat moves or initiate combat even after the effect ends (24h cooldown)

None of these skills are really supposed to be pro- or anti-PvP. Sneak can be used to ambush players or get past hostile creatures. Escape and Haul can be used to chase. Frenzy can be used defensively.
Panic + Escape into Sneak is intended to be a way to flee from PvP. You create distance with Escape, then crawl to safety with Sneak while your pursuer can either enter your detection range or correctly guess the direction of your escape. (needs testing, I dunno how far you can crawl in 3 minutes).

Thx for reading.

[boshaw]

(stolen from Salem)

About where this entire suggestion should stay

[_Scipio]

Improvements could be made, but not like this.

[Kaios]

I do like the idea of passive/active abilities that increase your skills somehow, though I think to be fair they should be at the expense of something else. For instance...

-Forage and Wander: "Crawl" or "Walk" to increase your per*exp (stolen from Salem)

...With this one, I wonder if it might be possible to reduce the player's field of vision (view distance) in exchange for the increased perception and exploration. The reason for that could be thought of as something like paying closer attention to the immediate area around you but at a cost of reduced awareness of the greater surroundings. I realize that may seem like a rather harsh penalty, but I think such bonuses should come with at least some amount of risk in their use. Of course, the bonus should be significant enough to warrant such a risk as well. Could be helpful when tracking high stealth scents, but in the case of someone searching for players to attack, they probably won't be using that one to increase their perception and exploration while doing so. Or that would be the trade-off if they are.

More uses for the stealth ability beyond scent visibility would be nice too. I dunno about total invisibility, but it'd be cool if you could camouflage yourself in some way such as through use of the environment. Blending into the shadows of objects if they are large enough or some type of hidey hole that can be constructed and which does not act like a separate map zone (ie. houses, burrows) but still "hides" the player in some way with a check to determine if someone might see them prior to approaching it directly to inspect it or the hidden player revealing themselves. Dive into a leaf pile. Something along those lines.

[jordancoles]

-remove the Stamina bar
-remove the "Crawl-Walk-Run-Sprint" toggle
-remove forager/slipper passives
-remove the 1% speed boost you get from queued combat moves

-make "Walk" the default speed
-add different passive and active skills to change your character's speed

Passive skills:
Only one passive skill can be active. Switching passives causes you to "Walk" for a few secondes. Others can see which passive you use.
-Run: Always active when not in combat.
-Forage and Wander: "Crawl" or "Walk" to increase your per*exp (stolen from Salem)
-Pursuit: Slightly faster than "Run" when chasing players (auto-activates when you initiate combat)
-Frenzy: "Sprint" that consumes SHP and increases your openings (if any)
-Panic: "Run" while in combat. Makes you unable to damage players even after the effect ends (toggle: activates when in combat)

Active skills:
While active, these skills will overwrite your passive skill.
-Sprint: For a moment (short cooldown)
-Haul: "Run" while lifting an object ("Crawl" afterwards)
-Sneak: "Crawl" and become invisible after a brief delay. Players can reveal you. (3 minute duration, 1h cooldown)
-Escape: Very long "Sprint". Makes you unable to perform combat moves or initiate combat even after the effect ends (24h cooldown)

None of these skills are really supposed to be pro- or anti-PvP. Sneak can be used to ambush players or get past hostile creatures. Escape and Haul can be used to chase. Frenzy can be used defensively.
Panic + Escape into Sneak is intended to be a way to flee from PvP. You create distance with Escape, then crawl to safety with Sneak while your pursuer can either enter your detection range or correctly guess the direction of your escape. (needs testing, I dunno how far you can crawl in 3 minutes).

Thx for reading.

[mulamishne]

The only good part from this entire suggestion was the walk/crawl speed increasing foraging power.

[sMartins]

I do like the idea of passive/active abilities that increase your skills somehow, though I think to be fair they should be at the expense of something else. For instance...

-Forage and Wander: "Crawl" or "Walk" to increase your per*exp (stolen from Salem)

...With this one, I wonder if it might be possible to reduce the player's field of vision (view distance) in exchange for the increased perception and exploration. The reason for that could be thought of as something like paying closer attention to the immediate area around you but at a cost of reduced awareness of the greater surroundings. I realize that may seem like a rather harsh penalty, but I think such bonuses should come with at least some amount of risk in their use. Of course, the bonus should be significant enough to warrant such a risk as well. Could be helpful when tracking high stealth scents, but in the case of someone searching for players to attack, they probably won't be using that one to increase their perception and exploration while doing so. Or that would be the trade-off if they are.

More uses for the stealth ability beyond scent visibility would be nice too. I dunno about total invisibility, but it'd be cool if you could camouflage yourself in some way such as through use of the environment. Blending into the shadows of objects if they are large enough or some type of hidey hole that can be constructed and which does not act like a separate map zone (ie. houses, burrows) but still "hides" the player in some way with a check to determine if someone might see them prior to approaching it directly to inspect it or the hidden player revealing themselves. Dive into a leaf pile. Something along those lines.

That would be cool.. and only some biomes would allow you to hide ...

[Sevenless]

Whether or not it's intended, everything movement related is 110% related to pvp. Moving faster on snow? PvPers have to hide inside all winter. Removed credo speed bonus from chasing critters? That killed pvp.

Any change to this system has a crazy ripple effect on pvp. I like to describe haven's combat system as "Tactical jogging" to people who haven't played the game.

[Mepp]

I think the resource bars create problems that a cooldown-based approach could fix. Not only when it comes to PvP.
HnH is not a survival game. You are never at risk of starvation. A player that knows how to pick nuts and how to fill a bucket will never die. Unless they double-down on the survival part, I don't see a reason to keep Energy and Stamina in the game.
These resource bars only create problems especially during PvP.

Yeah at this point it might be such an integral part of HnH, it would be tough to change.

[Sevenless]

I think the resource bars create problems that a cooldown-based approach could fix. Not only when it comes to PvP.
HnH is not a survival game. You are never at risk of starvation. A player that knows how to pick nuts and how to fill a bucket will never die. Unless they double-down on the survival part, I don't see a reason to keep Energy and Stamina in the game.
These resource bars only create problems especially during PvP.

Yeah at this point it might be such an integral part of HnH, it would be tough to change.

Other than people just afking/forgetting, ironically the one time you're at threat of starving to death is during a PvP chase.

The issue is the combat system. There's been many iterations, many many. And this is so far the one that has kept everyone relatively the happiest. With so many failures, ripping out the one mechanic that we know works and forms the backbone, however weird it is, is very dangerous.