Deep worm, eating raw meat, etc. etc.

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Deep worm, eating raw meat, etc. etc.

Postby Sephiron » Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:19 am

Deep worm. Damn thing dont make no damn sense. Why do you get it from midges, sand fleas and ticks?
Shouldn't it/wouldn't it make sense for raw meat to be edible, and you get it from eating raw meat?
For a risk/reward scenario, add paté recipe; maybe paté is made with meat grinder, spices, lemon juice (or just lemons) or vinegar, and provides pure +2 fep of whatever stat, depending on meat type.

If you really want midges, sand fleas, and ticks to do some damage, maybe make it so their bites have a chance to infect wounds, like swimming through a swamp. It would make soap more useful. It would still make Tansy useful. Tansy extract could still help treat digestive wounds.
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Re: Deep worm, eating raw meat, etc. etc.

Postby Reiber » Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:36 am

while i agree that this would be funny
introducing a trap food just to bait people intoo getting the wound is proppably stupid, and you would need to make it fairly powerfull, for people to still fall for it,
wich could introduce a pateè and tansy cleanse for our local statcheckers.


also, your typical intestinal worm parasite, is usually picked up by humans, through water, or forageables, that came intoo contact with animals, not through the meat.
the worms you pick up from eating raw meat, especially predators and pigs, are an whole other league of being nasty. thats typically the "go blind and mad, as you are devoured from the inside" type of worms.

so it could be an side effect of eating raw berrys/mushrooms, punishing variety food usage, wich would be hillariously inconvienient,
or just act as an constant threat by drinking un stilled freshwater, (wich everybody would complain about) or standing in the shallows with wounds .


as it is now. its just a second subwound you get from being bitten by midges in the swamp, wich is unneccesary, and inconsequential.
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Re: Deep worm, eating raw meat, etc. etc.

Postby Fostik » Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:46 am

Sephiron wrote:Deep worm. Damn thing dont make no damn sense. Why do you get it from midges, sand fleas and ticks?


Cause it's realistic, parasites can be gained by insect bites.

Sephiron wrote:introduce a pateè

Reiber wrote:introducing a trap food just to bait people intoo getting the wound is proppably stupid, and you would need to make it fairly powerfull, for people to still fall for it,


I like that direction, tartare, ceviche, carpaccio, poke and stuff like that; underprepared delicacies with higher risks but rewarding fep.
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Re: Deep worm, eating raw meat, etc. etc.

Postby Valgar » Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:50 am

Yes it's stupid getting this wound from a bite.
Getting this by eating raw/unprocessed meats & fruits is much more appropriate.
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Re: Deep worm, eating raw meat, etc. etc.

Postby stya » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:33 am

Pâté should be cooked, eating it raw makes no sense. If you want raw stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_tartare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett
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Re: Deep worm, eating raw meat, etc. etc.

Postby caz » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:24 am

Idk about the worm stuff but I like the idea of more pure fep foods (pate as u suggest)
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Re: Deep worm, eating raw meat, etc. etc.

Postby Sephiron » Thu Dec 05, 2024 4:13 am

stya wrote:Pâté should be cooked, eating it raw makes no sense. If you want raw stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_tartare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett

My bad my bad. I definitely mean tartare, but Pate would be fun too.

Fostik wrote:Cause it's realistic, parasites can be gained by insect bites.

Reiber wrote:also, your typical intestinal worm parasite, is usually picked up by humans, through water, or forageables, that came intoo contact with animals, not through the meat.

Okay, my bad, I've never personally had a parasite before (luckily) so I suppose it's good to know for future reference, to wash my hands after picking up random stuff from the woods.
But ultimately, you still have to ingest the parasite or eggs, no?

Reiber wrote:the worms you pick up from eating raw meat, especially predators and pigs, are an whole other league of being nasty. thats typically the "go blind and mad, as you are devoured from the inside" type of worms.

I suppose, not everything should be realistic. That's terrifying.

So then now I guess my suggestion is to just add a new category of foods, like "raw meat" that has a new, rare wound when consumed. Maybe even just rarely random wounds that heal by themselves, like Chills and Nausea or Rot gut. Just plain raw meat wouldn't give very good FEP but Prepared foods like tartare provide good FEP that's worth it for the risk. You could potentially make tartare out of any meat- poultry, fish, etc. included. It would be like mid-game version of roasted meat, cooked on a meatgrinder instead of a campfire. You would just need things like lemon or vinegar, onions, etc.
Although I guess if we're trying to be realistic I think the acid from the lemon or vinegar helps neutralize any kind of parasite, so maybe tartare would have a significantly smaller chance of causing issues compared to eating regular raw meat.

I'm not saying to punish players for gaining stats, it's purely just for fun.
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Re: Deep worm, eating raw meat, etc. etc.

Postby Fostik » Fri Dec 06, 2024 12:43 pm

Sephiron wrote:Okay, my bad, I've never personally had a parasite before (luckily) so I suppose it's good to know for future reference, to wash my hands after picking up random stuff from the woods.
But ultimately, you still have to ingest the parasite or eggs, no?


This one is most widely spread, but helminths eggs as well as other parasitic larvae can also be transferred by mosquitos, or other biting flies.
This is indeed hard to swallow that pretty severe parasites can get into your body by just one bite of mosquito.
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