increase bow aiming speed

[VowOfSilence]

Not only is the aiming speed tedious, it also looks like it makes the damage output suck (except for one-hitting things).
i just looked into the mechanics:

Sling dmg: 60 x double fire rate = 120
Wood Bow dmg: 75 + 20 arrow dmg = 95
Ranger Bow dmg: 300 + 20 x 1/3 fire rate = 107

so... what arrow Q is needed to get a real advantage from bows?

Wood Bow: 75 + 60 arrow dmg (Q90!) = 135
Ranger Bow: 300 + 60 /3 (Q90!) = 120

Oh boy... So you'd need like Q90 bone arrows to use a basic Q10 bow, is that correct?
adding to the problem is that getting high Q branches for arrows takes quite a while.
and stone arrows are utterly useless, anyway.

do soak values even that out at some point or something?

[Thijssnl]

Quite interesting. Well I'm a sling fanboy (lol) anyway so.

[DatOneGuy]

I can't even make an understanding of your numbers because you seem to be mixing something up.

Bone Arrows - IEMM2 Attack 20
Ranger's Bow - IEMM 3 Attack 300

Your Arrows always need to be 3/2*Ranger's Bow Quality, or 1.5x Ranger's Bow Quality.



My problem with bows however is that what you need in order to hit a moving target is absurd, they should have a higher IEMM.

It takes about 80 Marksmanship with a Sling to gain Aim on a moving target. Considering a Sling is double that of a Bow, it'd take 160 with a Bow. Here's the kicker though, a Ranger's Bow would require 3x that or 480 to aim on a moving target, while you yourself are still.

Now, don't get me wrong that's fine, that shows that you need to put forth effort to actually use the ranger's bow effectively and needing 480 Marksmanship for that is not a big issue, HOWEVER 480 Marksmanship out of a Ranger's Bow requires a q160 Ranger's Bow, and q240 Arrows, which is for all intents and purposes, impossible as it stands. Not hard, impossible.

If Ranger's Bows had IEMM of around 5, and there were harder to make arrows (perhaps metal) with around the same damage as bone arrows but higher IEMM (or a way to add feathers to the bow to increase IEMM ; I think this would be much better option) it'd be favorable.

A key example is that right now to be able to move while also aiming on a moving target with a sling, it requires approximately 130~150 Marksmanship, that's at least 780 Marksmanship! Worth it? Yes! However, I can't make a q260 Ranger's Bow, no one can.


tl;dr : Keep Marksmanship requirements the same, Keep Aiming Speed the asme, increase IEMM on Ranger's Bow, Bow, and Arrows (or introduce new arrows that allow for better aiming)

[VowOfSilence]

Well, I'm not sure if i got it right, either...

But I'm talking about damage output over time, not what Q is required to meet your marksmanship skill.

1 shot with the Ranger's bow = 320 dmg total.
But the sling aims (and shoots) 6x faster. So, during the same time, on could do:
6 shots with the sling = 6x60 = 360 dmg total.

If that's true, the rangers bow is only usefull against armored targets.
My wood bow, on the other hand, kinda sucks in general.

[DatOneGuy]

Not really?

Right now the 'best' slings are like q250, let's assume best ranger's bow is q100.

Assuming this:
Ranger's Bow : 948
Bone Arrow q150 : 77
Sling : 300


So Ranger's Bow would be doing 1,025, versus the Sling doing 300.

I'm still not 100% convinced on the Sling being 6x as fast, but it seems about that way, in which case yes DPS wise the Sling does better if you have a constant onslaugh of opponents after you, you can do 1,800 damage in the same time as the Ranger's Bow.

This is NOT the problem though, at all.

The problem is that
1)Ranger's Bow has an effective cap for all intents and purposes ; Slings really don't, you could get 500 Marksmanship with the sling and it'd be pointless past 200 really, how fast you shoot at 200 is fucking bananas.
2)Ranger's Bow does bulk damage, meaning you get past armor, it also means that you can 1 shot things like bears so that they don't run like little babies. - This is the only benefit over a sling Ranger's Bow has for hunting

Ranged attacking needs some serious love.

[murphylawson]

If fletching is introduced, it could give a use to feathers, which are nearly useless as it stands. But I'm just going to point out that when I played in world one (for only a month or so though) I was able to hunt foxes with a bow. I do like the change, but I think slings should at least be usable by new players.