Armor penetration in ranged weapons.

[NaoWhut]

Scrolled all through the search thing and i couldn't find anything like this (by that i mean i searched 10 pages of the search thingy.) soooo

Ranged weapons using the attack bar as armor penetration. Eh? =D ehhh? =D

as it stands now ranged weapons are not too effective against anyone with armor.. and this world that means everyone =p sooo if you were to use the offense bar to get through a player's armor, perhaps it would make archers a not so useless group against other players that aren't total noobs

(maybe?) .... V Strength being how well it gets through the armor because it's you drawing that string back as far as you can, to send it flying as fast as your body and bowstring will allow.

[serpentyngallery]

Sounds like a reasonable compromise to what ended up in the nerf of ranger bows in w3, although I'm sure many will disagree. I like it.

[Skorm]

I like it.

But this means one arrow and then its done ? or are you suggesting that bow users actually try raise the off bar AKA go melee ?

[barracuda546]

Doesnt a Q60 ranger bow do around 800 damage with decent arrows? I don't see how thats useless against metal armor.

And if people work hard on getting good armor shouldnt they be rewarded by not being able to get ranger bowed?

[Kaios]

Ranged weapons using the attack bar as
armor penetration. Eh? =D ehhh? =D

Don't really understand this. Wouldn't this mean that unless the attack bar is full, you won't do full damage and/or penetrate armor? Wouldn't that nerf ranged weapons even more?

Strength being how well it gets through the
armor because it's you drawing that string back
as far as you can, to send it flying as fast as
your body and bowstring will allow.

I am pretty sure that even if you were fucking Hercules pulling on that bow string, wouldn't it eventually come to a point where you cannot pull back on it any more? (aka the string breaks)

I think bows were nerfed for a reason, and in this world they really aren't completely useless if you have access to some decent resources. No idea where the "everyone has awesome armorz bow suk" mentality is coming from. Are you saying you already have a rangers bow over Q100 and have tested this theory out on other parties with equal or better armour? I really doubt it.

[NaoWhut]

But this means one arrow and then its done ? or are you suggesting that bow users actually try raise the off bar AKA go melee ?

Yup. Since their's no ranged offence buff, pretttty much dood.

Don't really understand this. Wouldn't this mean that unless the attack bar is full, you won't do full damage and/or penetrate armor? Wouldn't that nerf ranged weapons even more?

I am pretty sure that even if you were fucking Hercules pulling on that bow string, wouldn't it eventually come to a point where you cannot pull back on it any more? (aka the string breaks)

I think bows were nerfed for a reason, and in this world they really aren't completely useless if you have access to some decent resources. No idea where the "everyone has awesome armorz bow suk" mentality is coming from. Are you saying you already have a rangers bow over Q100 and have tested this theory out on other parties with equal or better armour? I really doubt it.

1) Penetration of armor, not damage.

2) Think you stopped reading at some point.

3) Im not saying everyone has awesome armor and that bows suck, i'm saying that in my experience, a fully armored player is safe from a high ql RBow for that time. even a steel or deer helm of standard quality for that time period will most likely absorb all damage (even if it's hurt pretty badly ) at this time a ql 60 ranger bow is obtainable sure, but the armor to deflect it is also obtainable. which makes it a useless weapon.(in my eyes)

Though with full martial a small amount of amount of damage DOES get through. (80 or so if even.)

One shot gets through armor, that means if it KO's them your next shot still wont go through their armor if they're behind a wall and you're stuck trying to blow it all off from a far before they get up and bolt it.

[Kaios]

Ok, it makes a little more sense now. In any case I do see ranger bows possibly deserving of a little bump up at some point, but I think some more time needs to go by before that happens.

We really do need some large scale warfare going on to provide some decent statistics for bow vs armour during this world. I am not completely convinced that a ranger bow will be totally useless for a long while. Although I do believe it will happen eventually of course.

Anyways I don't think the attack bar affecting armour penetration is the best way to go. Unfortunately though I can't offer up any better solutions at this time, sorry.

[Zampfeo]

Perhaps a random chance based on your perception and marksman to hit a gousset in the opponents armor, ignoring its deflection rating?

[Skorm]

Stuff

what i dont get here, in the example you gave, if your tarjet is behind a wall, and good armored, how exactly are you gonna kill him ? if this was added, then you would have to wait a long time for the bar to fill so you can do a good amount of damage, by then your tarjet prolly got up and got inside a house.

[NaoWhut]

oh, i was hoping you'd have gotten that so that Kaios wouldn't scream 'OP OP!!!'

Flex on someone standing next to you.

and i'm afraid ignoring their armor completely would be a bad idea with the raw damage of the ranger bow...