Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

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Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

Postby arriel » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:37 pm

I know it`s minor and probably irrelevant, but I`d give the Dig skill to newbs right away -)
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Re: Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

Postby Turtleshot » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:38 pm

I agree with you... heh... you should be able to dig clay at the very begining... but be unable to give it shape.
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Re: Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

Postby Omniwar0801 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:54 pm

Why what do you need Dirt for without Pottery. Im Newer to the game so i could be mistaken but i really only know one purpose for just dirt and that is to put in a treeplanters pot. which you need pottery to use. and isnt Pottery like a very Low LP skill maybe 200 or 400. any newb can get taht pretty quick just picking branches.
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Re: Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

Postby sabinati » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:57 pm

i am inclined to agree as well (edit: with the OP)
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Re: Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

Postby arriel » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:28 pm

Omniwar0801 wrote:Why what do you need Dirt for without Pottery. Im Newer to the game so i could be mistaken but i really only know one purpose for just dirt and that is to put in a treeplanters pot. which you need pottery to use. and isnt Pottery like a very Low LP skill maybe 200 or 400. any newb can get taht pretty quick just picking branches.


Ever tried fishing with worms, huh?
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Re: Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

Postby sabinati » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:56 pm

Omniwar0801 wrote:Why what do you need Dirt for without Pottery. Im Newer to the game so i could be mistaken but i really only know one purpose for just dirt and that is to put in a treeplanters pot. which you need pottery to use. and isnt Pottery like a very Low LP skill maybe 200 or 400. any newb can get taht pretty quick just picking branches.


well for one, it would be nice to have a method of getting that initial 200 that didn't involve taking all the branches off of the trees. and, as previously stated, worms.
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Re: Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

Postby Jackard » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:01 pm

been suggested before, i agree
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Re: Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

Postby Omniwar0801 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:06 am

When do you get the Fishing skill? Cuz if it is also a 200 to 400lp Skill then again it just goes with the chain. Im inclined to really disagree. whats a matter with picking of the branches lol you act like this isnt the biggest map you have ever played with the most amount of interactive trees ever. youcan pick your first 1000lp off a boulder. i mean if you really want to be a new player and just afk dig your way to your skills then go ahead and afk chip stones. you can do it without anytools or skills.
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Re: Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

Postby Jackard » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:27 am

Omniwar0801 wrote:When do you get the Fishing skill? Cuz if it is also a 200 to 400lp Skill then again it just goes with the chain. Im inclined to really disagree. whats a matter with picking of the branches lol you act like this isnt the biggest map you have ever played with the most amount of interactive trees ever. youcan pick your first 1000lp off a boulder. i mean if you really want to be a new player and just afk dig your way to your skills then go ahead and afk chip stones. you can do it without anytools or skills.

Players should start with more useful abilities in general.

Just listen to yourself, man. Should it really be necessary for new players to pick branches and make baskets/campfires before they can begin the actual game?

see also: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5693
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Re: Why do you need pottery to dig earth?

Postby Gentley » Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:50 pm

Try to view the first hours without all the knowledge you`ve got by now, its actually quite fun to get all those new skills in a pretty fast order, i think this is ok.

Besides the steep learning curve and disappointments due to lack of tutorials ( starving because you don`t know how easy it is to "hunt" rabbits, falling to the ground because your boots got destroyed and you don`t know how to make new ones etc. ), the beginning is fine. Add some more Beginnersinfo, the how-tos involve baking, smelting ore and tons of other stuff you can easily figure out/read about until you got there, but lack fundamental basics like the ones i mentioned or:

- uhm, just started, im trying to be a good rpler, so i build a bouchbed, some cover, some baskets, got me some axes ( one might think they`re really primitive and break soon ), collected some cones ( how should i know i wont need them like forever, its one of the first things i stumble upon ), and now i want to fish, because theyve probably got me that rod for a reason!

"needs fully equipped fishing rod"
End of story.

You don`t know whats missing, you don`t know how to aquire bone material, you don`t know you need a string, you don`t even know how to get strings, and i wont even start about bait which is not mentioned anywhere nor crafting options for lure that are beyond your abilities for days of playing.

Heck, give em a spear instead of that, those have been used for fishing thousands of years earlier.

Generally, get some logic into the starting abilities. I cant butcher a rabbit the right way without hunting? Ok for me. I cant pick up a freaking rabbit without hunting? thats ridiculous.
I can`t shove my hand in some mud and build some sandcastles without studying mining? Ask some 2year olds about that. Im pretty sure everyone could add loads to this list.
The original clients low resolution in combination with aggressive boars finishs the job:

Excellent chances to die once or twice until you figure that stuff out, THESE are the wasted hours of playing you should worry about.
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