Support for small personal spaces within villages

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Re: Support for small personal spaces within villages

Postby theTrav » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:02 am

loftar wrote:How do you like the round-post fences?

I like them quite a lot, but last I checked they didn't have gates... Has this changed?

loftar wrote:They do take up as much ground space as the palisades, but not as much "visible" space, and they give the added protection of an intruder needing the Vandalism skill to get past them, if they are on your claim.
It is a bit hard for me imagine that their physical extent would take up a lot of otherwise needed village space, but maybe you are of a different opinion?

I guess that depends on how we build them...
I guess it should be possible to wall off a cabin with only a 6*7 area using round post fences, which isn't too bad at all, especially if you have neighboring cabins share fences rather than doubling up...

Also I should probably point out that it's not so much that we are in desperate need for space, so much as a desire to have the living space close together so people encounter each other more often.


loftar wrote:In relation to them, we'll probably add growable hedges within too long. :)

Sounds awesome, I look forward to seeing them. (pruning required?)


Quick question, is the claim implemented such that the client just tells the server that it wants to build a pole in a certain space and then the server works out the claim area?
Or does the client say "I want a pole here to claim this area"?

If it's the latter then implementing smaller claims (or re-enabling the land management interface) would be a pretty simple matter and could be done by someone working on the UI without you troubling yourself (hint hint, nag nag :P )
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Re: Support for small personal spaces within villages

Postby loftar » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:03 am

Delamore wrote:What about towns that use mines for housing?

Cool as that may be, I'd recommend against it; we'll disable it sooner or later anyway, along with disabling the building of ovens (or other log cabins) inside log cabins.

Of course, I'm not totally against the idea of underground fortresses, but it should need to be done elsewise; unclear though it may be exactly as to how.
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Re: Support for small personal spaces within villages

Postby loftar » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:23 am

theTrav wrote:I like them quite a lot, but last I checked they didn't have gates... Has this changed?

Well... no. We're kinda planning on giving them one, but seeing how knocking a segment down and rebuilding it is almost as easy as opening and closing a gate, it's been pushed down a bit on the priority list. :)

theTrav wrote:Also I should probably point out that it's not so much that we are in desperate need for space, so much as a desire to have the living space close together so people encounter each other more often.

I would think that fences wouldn't intrude a whole lot on that, though; they shouldn't increase the required space a lot beyond the lawn anyway, right?

Speaking of which -- I haven't actually checked if log cabins and fences tile properly with each other. They should.

theTrav wrote:Quick question, is the claim implemented such that the client just tells the server that it wants to build a pole in a certain space and then the server works out the claim area?
Or does the client say "I want a pole here to claim this area"?

It just tells the server that it wants to build a pole. The minimum 5x5 is pretty strictly enforced, so as to not create any weird plot situations, like, for instance, a 1x100 claim. I'm planning on adding an aspect ratio check to plots as well, so that they need to be within, like, a 1:2 ratio or so. They should require a quadratically scaling amount of LP to expand.
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