no racism

[Karonte]

with the that increase popolation, this is impossible.

[Flame]

Well...
There are some simbols in the world that Have important meanings.

Svastica mean "Racism-Ashoa(The kills of millions of Jewish (ebrei))-WorldWar-Anti Etnic" and is ufficially offensive for half of the world.
Is like write a blaspemy on the ground. (offense of a religion)
Or another powerfull offensive symbol.

In the world exist the liberty of opinions. But exist also the RESPECT of the others opinion. In a multi etnic game, the base respect of the others is needed to stay in a public game. (so don't mention in a public game Symbols with a big power of offence. mention it in your house, with your friends, in you politicy and where that symbol have sense.)

Isn't a "Non Liberty Opinion, fuck!". Is a "You're free to think what you want. You're not free to Offend deliberately who you want and then say that you have the right to do this."

Don't oblige the dev to take measure against this one day. Stop it before this. They don't wont moderate you to let this game more free possible.
They could be in trouble when this game will became a True Game.
Use the brain, the respect of the other and play this game without mention religions or politicy.

[Chakravanti]

To be fair....no one is properly using any swastika for pagan funeral rites. They're always placed at the camp of murdered ENEMIES. Whereas, the proper use of the various northern european pre-nazi culture's swastika is in the honored memory of a fallen comrade in arms on a Funeral Pyre.

That said, it is as others have said...a fully PK anywhere game. If you belive certain in game behaviour should be policed. Do it yourself. THAT is H&H. It is both it's flaw and it's beauty. Which is dependent upon your perspective and idealizations on just how much people's behavior *should* be policed.

I'm an anarchist so I'm totally with the devs on this one.

[Flame]

usually game and real life are keep in two different places. The first is free and with respect (rules let this is possible). The second is politic, religions and what you want.

And usually keep them separated, prevent trouble, also legals.

I understand the phylosophy of total free, also if it include Chaos and Violence and no respect.

But i'm sure one day the dev will think also at theyr profit and liberty to have a game that is played by someone. This game, if don't have ANY rule, soon will be a land of bad guys that wil destroy the game and it will never grow more than now.
Is autodistrucion.

One day they should decide what to do. To rule a few, or not to rule and let game die.
(is an interesting experiment of social life and real mechanism.)

[jorb]

I will not have important symbols of Indo-European rite thrown overboard just because some asshole decided that it would be cool to use them as a gang-tags and kill people while wearing them. In my, humble, opinion the swastika as such deserves rehabilitation (Along with select letters of the futhark). All territories occupied by Nazi Germany should be liberated, including symbolic territory.

That being said, it is obviously the case that people who use the symbol in this context -- dead bodies, massacres, burning fires -- aren't trying to do rehabilitate pagan symbols, but are rather trying to create drama and, thus, lulz, by provoking people's sensibilities. I can only advise anyone who feels offended to remember that symbols do not in and of themselves possess any magical powers that can hurt you. You are always hurt by your own volition. Choose not to be.

I will not delete swastikas -- wouldn't even if I could -- as that would be an abridgment of the freedom of speech which I believe is central to the maintaining of healthy public discourse. It is, in that context, a matter of simple principle. If I were to delete the Swastika symbol on the grounds that Hitler killed people, then the moon of Islam, the cross of Christianity, the Hammer and Sickle (Symbolizing the eternal bond between Druids & Carpenters), or even the star of David (REMEMBER JERICHO!), would be next to go.

Also, I loathe political correctness, and I believe that most Westerners have relationship to all matters of race, ethnicity and origin that is most aptly described as hysterical. Hitler was an evil man, not a monster, and there is a distinction. We can dislike racism all we want, but we do ourselves -- and any noble cause we might have -- a great disservice if we believe that a dislike of ours can be eradicated from men's minds through political indoctrination and the establishment of sacred taboos. Liberty and human dignity are not values that can be won and held through inner repression and double-think, which is what a taboo -- by its nature -- will always require from you.

If you wish to see it gone, you delete it.

Stay strong.

[Seizure]

I really love you sometimes jorb... So much so, Id say its a bit of a man crush.

[Flame]

i've understood your point of view and i'll respect this. Is your game. I hope it will not bring trouble to you two.

Now i just need to think what draw should be fun with a cross. Maibe a robot <3
XDDD


Ps: An anarchic game is not usual. To avoid other posts about law, rules or stuff like this, say somewhere with evidence that this game is Free. Fre free free. REALLY free. "Means, don't brother with moderations or rules. Is a free game, wih free people, bad or good."

because after a while it cause a shock on the newest users that find a game not ruled, like other games do. And then post something useless ecause is not in the mind line of the game (that we don't know).

[Chakravanti]

Also, I loathe political correctness, and I believe that most Westerners have relationship to all matters of race, ethnicity and origin that is most aptly described as hysterical.

Indeed. So true. I might add that they conveniently point out some aspects of history while ignoring others in their justification for their warped logic of maintaining such ridiculous notions.

I was in a prison d-fac having dinner a table with 3 black men. This hulking muscular mass of a black man asked the others what it meant to be black. THey made some discourse about 300 years of slavery. When they were more or less done I interjected, balls on the table, saying that it was absurd that they claimed a history of slavery as their own. Not to, in any way diminsh the horror of that which their ancestors suffered, but indeed that I shared their sorrow, and anger for my own ancestors were likewise raided, kidnapped and shipped off to africa to be sold as slaves long before a black man ever set foot on the western continent. After some looks that mutated from indignation to confusion I gave them a brief discourse on Irish history and we went back to the commons and they taught me to play bones.

Hitler was an evil man, not a monster, and there is a distinction. We can dislike racism all we want, but we do ourselves -- and any noble cause we might have -- a great disservice if we believe that a dislike of ours can be eradicated from men's minds through political indoctrination and the establishment of sacred taboos. Liberty and human dignity are not values that can be won and held through inner repression and double-think, which is what a taboo -- by its nature -- will always require from you.

If you wish to see it gone, you delete it.

Stay strong.

B...but....Drugs are bad, mm'kay!

[Haba]

Racism is good for the game, it creates drama. It creates factions that cant tolerate each other. Just look at goons for example.

BRB, making a post about H&H at Stormfront.

[Cookie]

I agree that the use of a swastika is only offensive, if you allow it to be offensive.

There is very little link between the current players who are using the swastika and the Nazis, probably as little as to the early Germanic tribes who used it in their funeral rites. These guys were not raised in the twenties and thirties of the last century. They may not even clearly remember living in Germany when it was partitioned if they are young enough. But playing at Nazis has been described as naughty so it is irresistible and they can make up a mythology to match and then sit back and hope to hear gasps of horror.

At this point we don't get upset with people playing at Napoleonic wars. Put on a tricorn hat and button breeches and people will smirk. Put on a black uniform with a peaked cap and people will gasp in horror. The difference is not the passage of time but the symbols that Nazis have popularly become. This is a pity. There were insanely horrible Nazis but the hot, horrified focus on them has put the context they lived in out of perspective. It's too simplistic, like suggesting that assasinating Hitler in 1936 would have prevented the entire war and everything bad from happening.

The primary thing which that Nazi symbol represents nowadays is "I am an exibitionist asshole trying to make you look at me." They are trying to convey the startling fact that they are not afraid to be bad.

Gosh, wow, yes! They are terribly daring and so amazingly powerful that they don't have to treat other people decently!We got it. Already.

A pity that acknowledging that won't make them stop trying the same needy smug narcissitic tactic over and over again.