Map Reset

[Chakravanti]

Beside better food, nothing makes a slight difference. Every single baked item you have is bugged by now chak, thanks to the bricks you made with the branches you bought.

Heh, yeah i got 9 points over what I can make legit on an oven. You have those 9 points, +5-7 because you can saw up 208+ boards. not to mention you have an infinate supply and can use them as fuel.

I reported the items, all of them. Jorb didnt care about anything else than the water, which got destroyed.

Q252 metal saw? GTFO. That's litterally impossible to make any legit way without something crazy stupid shit like 3k+ farming.

Developers tell testers how something works in every detail -> Testers check those things work just as planned -> Testers report errors to developers by actual direct testing, or if they stumble across it by simple indirect gameplay.

Pure bullshit post from you again. All the steps for every item are KNOWN if youre not a newb.

You're so full shit. The devs in fact did not disclose jack shit for the longest time and then, only with repeatedly applied pressure. Machenoid is, for once, correct.

chak is overreacting here to the limit. Beside better food, nothing makes a slight difference.

I might be exaggerating about the rezzes but I'm not overreacting. You guys are secretly fucking around with illegitimate shit, and the you run around stomping on the rest of the world with your cheat hack weapons, armor, skills and stats.

This is why I never played diablo. LOL

It's really weird that the two games I play the most outside of H&H are the easiest ever to cheat at because they're all open source. Oddly enough....no one ever does.

[Seizure]

Right, Chak. You never rage, seems to obvious now. You are completely detached....

Edit. Forgot to get to the heart of the matter. I highly doubt that at this point anyone could put up a reasonable argument for not doing a char/map reset. Pretty obvious that the big boys all have their bugged items, and use them to get that extra bit of Q so they are the best. Chak, you are included, and are quite deluded if you think your items have not been heavily influenced by these items. The items have been in game for so long, that by the trickle down effect, every single player is directly effected by it.

The game has gotten stale, because besides grinding up that extra 50 more farming or whatever, there is NO reason to continue playing.

[Chakravanti]

Right, Chak. You never rage, seems to obvious now. You are completely detached....

LOL, please, you don't know me at all. I didn't say I don't care about this game. I did say that I'm extremely intense & psychotic. Just not emotional. It's kind of difficult to explain since I've never met any other psychotic person who can maintain self awareness and the ability to process logical functions during episodes.

[Machenoid]

This is why I never played diablo.

I agree with you in saying "Fuck Diablo, seriously." because public games on Battle.net basically became an impossibility to enjoy as a super-tank mage walks in and starts bitch-slapping everyone around with the hex-edited cheat equipment... Who would then use the pre-existing dupe bug to give you a copy of his equipment mere moments afterwards. tl;dr of a long story is that a hex editor was used to modify an item who's type and prefix/suffix combination "item level" score is so high, that it does not appear on any creatures' item drop list; a truely impossible-to-obtain-legally item.

Thankfully i think H&H is advanced enough to not run into such externally-caused nightmares, just the internally caused ones.

[Chakravanti]

Heh, yeah. Diablo is probably one of the most extreme and time honored examples of multiplayer cheating. I never did understand what people derived from it.

It's like stuffing your junk.

[Lothaudus]

Let me guess, somebody has died, right?

Map Reset

So hey guys, what happens when there's a reset and everything's wiped and you're all happy...

... and then a month later we find someone else found a bug that allowed them to make insane Q shit of some other sort, which they then abused the fuck out of and now there are all these high Q items floating about the place again?

... and what happens if it keeps happening? Like when we get the new map with continents and everything's ticking along nicely until BAMMO, some unforseen bug results in another wave of high Q shit?

Because Bugged shit still exists and it's completely fucking up this playtest. There's evidence posted on the forums and I've seen the shit myself. Q175 b12's are not natural without 1k+ farming and NO ONE has that yet.

How does a Q175 B12 "completely fuck up this playtest"? Are you suggesting that the people killed with it would still be alive if the B12 was of a lower Q?

If such items do exist and such items are mathematically proven to only be able to be created by a series of events or skills which is not reasonably possible, then it should be plenty easy enough for loftar to query the game's database for such items and nuke them. Besides, resetting the game now achieves nothing when jorb & loftar (I assume) will want high level players to test any new combat and other functions when they start to be implemented (and I mean beyond the testing being done on the test server).

I don't think WV should be banned from the game but I do think the the first nerf wasn't enough to convince them to playtest and not play.

And what about any other players who might be abusing bugs in secret? Deleting Wayneville will only encourage others to abuse the fuck out of bugs they find even more and then simplt not trade with people who are going to rat them out. Really, the people who should be punished are the ones who put the bugs there in the first place.

Perhaps allthe other people WV has killed using their bugged equipment, and slightly less, bugged stats.

That's a lot of Russians.

The game has gotten stale, because besides grinding up that extra 50 more farming or whatever, there is NO reason to continue playing.

A reset won't change that. And resetting the game every time a group of people gets bored and think it's stale seems a bit... much.

[warrri]

Beside better food, nothing makes a slight difference. Every single baked item you have is bugged by now chak, thanks to the bricks you made with the branches you bought.

Heh, yeah i got 9 points over what I can make legit on an oven. You have those 9 points, +5-7 because you can saw up 208+ boards. not to mention you have an infinate supply and can use them as fuel.

I reported the items, all of them. Jorb didnt care about anything else than the water, which got destroyed.

Q252 metal saw? GTFO. That's litterally impossible to make any legit way without something crazy stupid shit like 3k+ farming.

Developers tell testers how something works in every detail -> Testers check those things work just as planned -> Testers report errors to developers by actual direct testing, or if they stumble across it by simple indirect gameplay.

Pure bullshit post from you again. All the steps for every item are KNOWN if youre not a newb.

You're so full shit. The devs in fact did not disclose jack shit for the longest time and then, only with repeatedly applied pressure. Machenoid is, for once, correct.

chak is overreacting here to the limit. Beside better food, nothing makes a slight difference.

I might be exaggerating about the rezzes but I'm not overreacting. You guys are secretly fucking around with illegitimate shit, and the you run around stomping on the rest of the world with your cheat hack weapons, armor, skills and stats.

This is why I never played diablo. LOL

It's really weird that the two games I play the most outside of H&H are the easiest ever to cheat at because they're all open source. Oddly enough....no one ever does.

Too lazy to quote every single passage:
True, i can use these branches as fuel, which results in 2-5 fep more per food item than you
I didnt report the saw(i just looked my pms, i reported it to loftar, not to jorb, sorry here!), it was made way later, not legit though. I did however report many items, including the tree(s) when i wasnt in wv yet. The tree was there until cutlass cut it down, now there is a better one on that place.
I dont get your argument about Machenoid, which items exactly do you not know how to raise their quality?
The b12 was never used for pvp because it sucks, yes axes suck generally. The only time it was used was by Retardfighter(or whoever killed me and klaue) that tried to cleave hermedicus and died with 2 hits, thus letting me get my axe back LOL.

To sum up your arguments: WV has bugged items and have advantage in pvp crycry fix reset delete please.
What you dont seem to get: There are only 2 sort of items for which quality matters in the end. That is food and equipment. Both have diminishing returns. Your food may be much worse than ours in quality, but gives almost the same fep. Its only comfortable beacuse we dont need to produce as much as you(we barely produce any food anyway, we raid for it).
Equipment on the other hand is completely redundant, because all the major fights happened by summoning. Again the only exception is the one i mentioned above where the q172 b12 didnt seem to help. It is only comfort because we can kill bears with combat meditation instead of using shield, so we kill them a bit faster, but meh?

To sum up everything: Crybaby.

[Avu]

If it doesn't matter can I have that saw please?

[warrri]

Its not my saw, ask the owner, but i guess the answer will be no. As i said, its only advantage is comfort and we want to have that comfort.

[Avu]

Well it's only reasonable for others to have the same comfort or no one to have it.