Bring back perception on Quality

[Chakravanti]

Another formula just occured to me.

Per*2+exp would give nubs a good margin of appraisal while still retaining the high bar to entry on teapot macroing alts. Of course, the old formula of per*2 would be a significantly higher bar to entry than even per+exp because it would involve preforming a whole array of activities before being able to appraise items. THere is also to consider what they mentioned before, having innacurate appraisals within a margin that increases based on how much higher the item is above your ability.

Chak... Seriously, you are one of the few people to take the time to use alts to such an extreme.

Not to mention sitting there, wasting time thinking of NEW ways to abuse the system.

-golf clap-

Look. It's an alpha. I rather consider it my duty to do this. Goons and WV are obviously great bug testers. I personally am not so inclined to think of creative ways to find bugs because I have no programming experience or understanding. What I do have is a lifetime of designing and dealing with players who find the best way to exploit systems and as such my expertise is with game mechanics and finding the most efficient method of achieving results. What for me is a few minutes of analyzing a system to achieve a redux my investment:results ratio on labor to me does not seem a waste of time. Furthermore, I consider my analysis to be at least moderately valuable feedback on the game itself. I don't expect my ideas to be taken with anything more than a grain of salt.

Seriously though, what made you think that thinking of ways to abuse an alpha system is a waste of time?

[Seizure]

Because from what Ive seen, your extensive use of alts has been for the sole use of advancing yourself and protecting your main.

NOT for making the game better. I mean, really... How does having alt villages over the entire map, and using only alts to trade, and using the hird exploit (while it was there) endlessly to travel wherever you feel, and storing every trade item on an alt vault for 3 days helping the system?

Thats not duty. Its exploiting a systems obvious flaws for personal gain.

I do understand where your coming from Chak. I just think your solution is very flawed. Hurting the playerbase to make something that is inevitable take longer isn't the solution, especially when so few would do such a thing.

I see it as no different than in FPS's when you are forced to backtrack for the sole reason to make the game longer. Its piss poor game design.

[Chakravanti]

Because from what Ive seen, your extensive use of alts has been for the sole use of advancing yourself and protecting your main.

NOT for making the game better.

What's the difference? I gain a lot of the knowledge I have about abusing alts from doing so. I couldn't very well analyze and speak on something with which I have no experience no could I?

I mean, really... How does having alt villages over the entire map, and using only alts to trade, and using the hird exploit (while it was there) endlessly to travel wherever you feel, and storing every trade item on an alt vault for 3 days helping the system?

Thats not duty. Its exploiting a systems obvious flaws for personal gain.

While the system exists, use it. I provide the feedback but if they're not going to change it then I see nothing wrong with abusing the system to it's fullest extent to achieve the very limits of the abuse's potential to determine how much of an imba it is. This provides a basis of comparison to potential solutions. Admittedly I haven't wrote much discourse on what I have achieved with my abuse but where it is most flawed/abusable I have spoken.

I do understand where your coming from Chak. I just think your solution is very flawed. Hurting the playerbase to make something that is inevitable take longer isn't the solution, especially when so few would do such a thing.

I see it as no different than in FPS's when you are forced to backtrack for the sole reason to make the game longer. Its piss poor game design.

I didn't say my solution was ideal. I said it was a solution. I don't see you coming up with any ideas. Just taking personal pot shots at me because you failed to con me into getting myself killed to please your new masters. But that's the thanks I get for doing shit like giving away free mines to lowbies.

[Seizure]

I didn't say my solution was ideal. I said it was a solution. I don't see you coming up with any ideas. Just taking personal pot shots at me because you failed to con me into getting myself killed to please your new masters. But that's the thanks I get for doing shit like giving away free mines to lowbies.

I dont give suggestions for 2 reasons, and they are very good ones in my opinion. I have little imagination. I simply cannot think of a good way to solve this problem. Or others. I have thought of a few solutions when I cannot sleep, but I think on them until I get a full nights rest. Then I realize how dumb it is.

Not to mention the fact, I dont think any suggestion given in this forum has been implemented. So I see no point in it. Its like masturbating, sure its fun and interesting... But ultimately pointless.

I do see a point in keeping bad ideas out/good ideas in, just in the off chance the devs will listen. So I comment on these every once in a while, especially if I really dis/like the ideas.

Oh and Chak. I really did want to trade with you, I couldnt care less about having you dead. I dont like you, but I dont kill people in this game because the system is too flawed. I try my best to play the game legit. For fucks sake, I didnt hunt bears for a long time for the sole reason that it is bullshit how much LP you get from them. To each their own though, and I really dont care how others play the game so long as it doesnt effect me.

I did appreciate the mine. That is the honest truth. After that, I started disliking you because I started paying attention to your posts. I realized, I just did not like who you are. Your a troll, and a slimy little fucker. You wave your 'mental instability' around like it matters. Your just a freaking idiot in my mind. A good trader, sure... but an idiot nonetheless. I kept my opinion to myself because you had a use.

Its simply a happy coincidence my new town had the same thoughts. Its not like you haven't given people (not just WV) enough reason to disrespect and hate you.

Admittedly I haven't wrote much discourse on what I have achieved with my abuse but where it is most flawed/abusable I have spoken.

Or, to be said more accurately... I only tell them about half of the problem. I want to preserve my ability to abuse, right? If they figure it on their own, more power to them... Sheesh.

[Jackard]

Not to mention the fact, I dont think any suggestion given in this forum has been implemented.

I've had suggestions here and elsewhere make it into the game, same goes for others. Easy to miss if you werent really following it to begin with though.

[Potjeh]

*flexes*

[Chakravanti]

Wow, just wow.

[Seizure]

Okay okay! You proved me wrong.

I just wasnt aware of any...

[sabinati]

spawning a shitload of alts to find resources is stupid and so is perception of quality.

[niltrias]

I think you would find more spawning one and walking around than spawning a bunch and hoping one hits the jackpot. If you spawn on a fairly small area surrounded by rivers, I would see a point...but that would just take a singe re-spawn to fix, unless your luck was bad.