Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

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Re: Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

Postby Ferinex » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:47 am

Avu wrote:Yet another let's make shit decay because just because! How about we get our multiple claims per char so we don't have to make alts or dummy villages?


funny, we used to be able to have as many claims as we wanted in early world 1. there was no limit on the area between them either.
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Re: Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

Postby theTrav » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:50 am

Ferinex wrote:funny, we used to be able to have as many claims as we wanted in early world 1. there was no limit on the area between them either.


Really? I thought the space between limit was there from the start... I could be wrong though, I might even not have been playing back then
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Re: Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

Postby Nanothnir » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:16 am

theTrav wrote:your claim uses a system similar to villages where every time you earn LP it charges up some sort of "3 month till decay" timer.
Then if you're not on for 3 months, your claim disappears

This in my sleepy stupor is kinda what I was trying to say, gonna re-edit the OP with this in it...
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Re: Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

Postby Avu » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:30 am

theTrav wrote:
Avu wrote:Yet another let's make shit decay because just because!

I don't think the dev's will buy that though, as I heard they like the fact that we've got resource sinks


What resources would that be? Time and mental sanity?
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Re: Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

Postby theTrav » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:52 am

Avu wrote:What resources would that be? Time and mental sanity?

... no ... virtual resources like wood, stone, straw, metal etc ...
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Re: Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

Postby Avu » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:20 am

Those are infinite time and mental sanity aren't.
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Re: Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

Postby Nanothnir » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:56 pm

Avu wrote:Those are infinite time and mental sanity aren't.

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Negative Statements like that ain't opinion mate. They are being an ass. If you don't like it, just don't say anything...
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Re: Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

Postby DatOneGuy » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:34 pm

Nanothnir wrote:
Avu wrote:Those are infinite time and mental sanity aren't.


Negative Statements like that ain't opinion mate. They are being an ass. If you don't like it, just don't say anything...

You're right they aren't opinion, they're simple fact.

Virtual items are infinite, they can be created or destroyed en masse without a problem, there is nothing to stop them from continually growing.

Time and mental sanity on the other hand.
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Re: Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

Postby theTrav » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:11 pm

Avu wrote:Those are infinite time and mental sanity aren't.

That is probably the dumbest, most poorly made point I've seen you make yet avu...

The virtual goods are not infinite, they are limited by the factors you are specifying, plus some other mechanics
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Re: Abandon Claims = Deteration of Claim...

Postby Zamte » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:46 am

Pretty sure the point he's making is that the decay system as it stands is already far too hit happy in it's randomness for it's (or more importantly, our) own good. You can easily go get the bricks, wood, and clay every day to repair everything, especially because quality is irrelevant, and thus while they may be finite, they're nowhere near finite enough to make it difficult to keep everything up. It's not difficult at all, it's only tedious. All it challenges you to do is stay interested and continue to bother/care.

If they really want a decay system, I say they stick to the random decay system, but only for non-use objects (houses, containers, walls), and cut the chance in half, then make useable items like kilns, smelters, plows, and whatever else ONLY decay from use, and have higher repair costs. This way there's rhyme and reason to why it's taking damage, and we can somewhat gauge how often we need to be able to repair based on how frequently we use it. Then it becomes a game of preparation and not random panic when you log in to a dark red ________.

As for the claim idea, I do like it. I really think they ought to follow what Trav said, and just make it so there's some hidden authority-type stat that loses 1 point every 24 hours, caps out at 31 points, and gains points equal to your LP gains. (which means it'd always instantly re-cap as soon as you gained any LP) That way they don't require a real timer, and can just use a modified authority system.
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