The lamentations of a Chicken breeder

[ThirdEmperor]

Er, am I the only one who didn't understand that at all?

Yes. Because you don't have a grasp on metagame mechanics and I'm not gonna write an essay on what happens at high quality and what softcaps what and how far down the line etc.

Actually it was your rant about the new nugget prayer, which seemed totally out of place in a thread about chickens, as to my knowledge metal is a completely different production tree then cattle. Or were you saying that the cattle production tree is now useless as metal is ten times easier to get now?

[exewu]

Yeah, and honestly....now that I don't give a shit anymore. You're totally right. That prayer is the most imba game changing update since lembas & AW in general. It DEFINITELY beats ein for IMBA and competes with lembas.

I mean the benefits of creating a character that can benefit from that prayer are twofold. Palisade kicker, 200+ saws and for some serious cheese factory villages....a brick wall basher and 500+ saws.

I think there is a point at which you can potentially cycle tree/metal/fuel infinitely upwards after you breach q300-500 saws. Even if not infinite spiral (and i can't say that for sure because like everyone else i'm not privy to actual game formulas) you still get stupid fucking upgrades just from making hammer/anvil/forge/saw from the prayer.

I'd have thought they'de have learned how awful 200+ saws are from the first world. Even cows/chickens going 300+ would worry me if it didn't take stupid amounts of time to breed them and thus reflect the massive investment required to achieve such things.

The bad thing about brick wall bashers is that between ein and the nugget prayer these toons are not only insanely valuable twofold but also, their deaths just add that much more to the affair because anyone set up to creat such a monstrosity isn't gonna stop feeding it MBC @4900 buffed because nugget prayer is always wicked, the toon can always be full trad because it needs virtually no LP which can be accumulated to about 500k when the toon initially recieves its first gen LP and stuff it into a claim reclaiming to pull out the 20k needed for vandalism and not lose it going full trad almost instantly it becomes redeployable within days after death Hell do it right with a multilayer brick wall fort (21 spaces between layers) and only someone with another BWB can get you.

Damn I agree for 100% with what you said. Once in a lifetime thing?
I can only hope the metal from the prayer is capped somehow.

[exewu]

Er, am I the only one who didn't understand that at all?

Yes. Because you don't have a grasp on metagame mechanics and I'm not gonna write an essay on what happens at high quality and what softcaps what and how far down the line etc.

Actually it was your rant about the new nugget prayer, which seemed totally out of place in a thread about chickens, as to my knowledge metal is a completely different production tree then cattle. Or were you saying that the cattle production tree is now useless as metal is ten times easier to get now?

Oh for crying out loud.
Why did you keep chickens previously? To have access to HQ bones (btw, chicken bones aren't dependant on cutting tools/survival afaik)
Why do you want HQ Bones? FOr bonesaws
Why do you want HQ bonesaws? To get higher wood
Why do you want HQ wood? To get higher metals

Why bother with all of the above if you can just conjure up some amazing quality metal nuggets out of thin air with a (relative) low time investment compared to the above process?

[sabinati]

fyi they "fixed" the metal prayer, so uh i guess our prayers have been answered

[exewu]

fyi they "fixed" the metal prayer, so uh i guess our prayers have been answered

I noticed you put it in the announcement forum as well, this is good. Changes like this one and the palisade one really need to be communicated clearly to the player base. Leaving us stuff to find on patchdays is great but if there's changes after that it really should be obvious for everyone.

So yeah, glorious news!

edit: nice pun.

[DatOneGuy]

Oh for crying out loud.
Why did you keep chickens previously? To have access to HQ bones (btw, chicken bones aren't dependant on cutting tools/survival afaik)
Why do you want HQ Bones? FOr bonesaws
Why do you want HQ bonesaws? To get higher wood
Why do you want HQ wood? To get higher metals

Why bother with all of the above if you can just conjure up some amazing quality metal nuggets out of thin air with a (relative) low time investment compared to the above process?

The nugget prayer allowed you to use :effort: in place of time. Time restrictions are absolute bullshit at this rate, even if you get lucky and it raises 1q a day it'd take 190 days to reach 200 (and you'd better have fodder above their quality)

Not like any of this matters anymore.

fyi they "fixed" the metal prayer, so uh i guess our prayers have been answered

'Fixed', like more 'Fucked' :/
The one thing I had that I could put effort into long-term to gain something out of, and it's taken away because a few people bitched about it before anyone got far enough to even seriously give it a try.

[exewu]

The nugget prayer allowed you to use :effort: in place of time. Time restrictions are absolute bullshit at this rate, even if you get lucky and it raises 1q a day it'd take 190 days to reach 200 (and you'd better have fodder above their quality)

The most important factors in your metal quality right now are your raw resources. The quality of clay (!!) and to a lesser extent water and soil will determine the quality of all your metal equipment. Bones right now have no effect in it at all (because, yay bears and cows/chickens are still lower than q200) and fibres are just a rather small part in the end quality of your metals. This means that a new player with 110 farming and 100 dex will be able to make the best possible iron on this server if he has access to the resources. There is no time required at all, just the rare materials, who are still fucking plenty full in the outer grids. You should know what quality stuff I use to make throwaway doughs for LP.
This prayer was about to replace that by having to feed an alt a bunch of cheese/lp, kill it *3 just to spawn nuggets. Are you seriously suggesting this was going to be healthy for the game?

[DatOneGuy]

The nugget prayer allowed you to use :effort: in place of time. Time restrictions are absolute bullshit at this rate, even if you get lucky and it raises 1q a day it'd take 190 days to reach 200 (and you'd better have fodder above their quality)

The most important factors in your metal quality right now are your raw resources. The quality of clay (!!) and to a lesser extent water and soil will determine the quality of all your metal equipment. Bones right now have no effect in it at all (because, yay bears and cows/chickens are still lower than q200) and fibres are just a rather small part in the end quality of your metals. This means that a new player with 110 farming and 100 dex will be able to make the best possible iron on this server if he has access to the resources. There is no time required at all, just the rare materials, who are still fucking plenty full in the outer grids. You should know what quality stuff I use to make throwaway doughs for LP.
This prayer was about to replace that by having to feed an alt a bunch of cheese/lp, kill it *3 just to spawn nuggets. Are you seriously suggesting this was going to be healthy for the game?

Considering the amount of time you'd have to do it, yes. Tradition finally had a use, it's now useless again.

It didn't necessarily have to be an alt either if you also did the farming (although it doesn't work on vegetables, only seeds).

Like I said and you just repeated, reaching the epitome of quality isn't hard, it just requires searching a whole supergrid or two for resources, you can find Q60 of all 3 in a SG easily, I did it twice in 2 different SGs within 3 days of searching around, shit's piss-easy. With that said, oh yeah you 'could' look the world fully over and try to get any of those past q120, but good luck with that.

The prayer could have required a nerf, but it'd have to actually be tested first before people just whined because they're sitting on the best resources and heaven forbid anyone pass them, what would they have as an edge for trading?

It could have required a nerf such as let's say numen counting as 3/4 weight versus 1/4 ancestors, meaning it'd take a 500 smithing character just to get q132 nuggets (at 10NP), this would also put more emphasis on the numen. Hell even a 1/8 weight, but softcapping as numen? You have to be kidding? Yea, considering how numen rolls good luck EVER getting past 100. There's only a handful of things that are plausible to get past 130 or so prior to that prayer, getting to 200? Hah.

It's only use now is for newbies to get metal.

[sabinati]

that's probably the point though

[DatOneGuy]

that's probably the point though

There are too many mines as it is, newbies have no need for easier metal, in fact, this just makes it harder for them to get metal if anything.

Unless there's literally no one around them with metal (unlikely considering the amount of mines) it's useless.