Release Hafen on Steam for free.

[TheTylerLee]

Instead of Steam, How about we all upvote a reddit post and get it to the front page?

[Bondle]

Instead of Steam, How about we all upvote a reddit post and get it to the front page?

sweet.

let's do it on /r/mmo and /r/mmorpg

my 10 accounts are ready.

btw

I'm http://www.reddit.com/u/Bondle

[TeckXKnight]

And btw. every HnH player can do HnH advertisement with his steam profile yet already ;)

It's not quite the same. Steam isn't really designed for viewing public profiles or following them in any way unless you're about to do a trade with that person for something in Team Fortress 2 or something. What it is designed for is quick browsing through game libraries, quick media viewing on those games, and easy download/installation. It's also pretty convenient and safe to do monetary transactions through steam though I can guarantee you that they take a cut as the middle man.

God help you if you ever grace the front page of the steam game features.

[painhertz]

2014...... Not trusting Steam... Huh?

[TeckXKnight]

2014...... Not trusting Steam... Huh?

To be fair, the initial launch of steam was a bit sketchy. It was, much like origin, a requirement to install and play your valve games and it tried to sneakily install itself without you noticing. It garnered more than a bit of uneasiness about itself in doing so. It took a total overhaul of its design and function in order to become as user-friendly as it is now.

If you're still basing your views of it on the initial steam, then there can be lots of mistrust. =)

[Aokigahara]

2014...... Not trusting Steam... Huh?

To be fair, the initial launch of steam was a bit sketchy. It was, much like origin, a requirement to install and play your valve games and it tried to sneakily install itself without you noticing. It garnered more than a bit of uneasiness about itself in doing so. It took a total overhaul of its design and function in order to become as user-friendly as it is now.

If you're still basing your views of it on the initial steam, then there can be lots of mistrust. =)

I remember all the hoorah but that was many years ago.

[loftar]

They support linux now.

Well, yes; this is part of what I based my beef on.

>only comes as a .deb
>installs /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/steam.gpg

[sabinati]

They support linux now.

Well, yes; this is part of what I based my beef on.

>only comes as a .deb
>installs /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/steam.gpg

why are those bad things?

[loftar]

why are those bad things?

.deb files need superuser privileges to install, and only install to the system-wide directory hierarchy. A program that needs more than user-level privileges and/or doesn't want to install simply in my home directory is going to have to display extremely good reason for that.

It is true, per se, that I could analyze the contents of the .deb and see if I can make it run without either, but there's a limit to how far I'm willing to go for a program that I'm not well-disposed towards from the outset.

/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d contains crypto-keys that are authorized with the system for unsupervised installs. I'm not so trusting of Valve as to put their keys in there.

Furthermore, Steam has to display a higher standard than most programs, seeing as how a main part of its purpose is to install software on my system. It is extremely common for proprietary software (not least for those with Windows heritage) to do this completely wrong, and seeing as how Steam started off in this regard with the above two points, I'm already losing whatever faint hope I ever had on it getting that right.

Furthermore, Steam is just a software installer. I'd rather take care of that part myself. The less software, the better. :)

[overtyped]

why are those bad things?

.deb files need superuser privileges to install, and only install to the system-wide directory hierarchy. A program that needs more than user-level privileges and/or doesn't want to install simply in my home directory is going to have to display extremely good reason for that.

It is true, per se, that I could analyze the contents of the .deb and see if I can make it run without either, but there's a limit to how far I'm willing to go for a program that I'm not well-disposed towards from the outset.

/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d contains crypto-keys that are authorized with the system for unsupervised installs. I'm not so trusting of Valve as to put their keys in there.

Furthermore, Steam has to display a higher standard than most programs, seeing as how a main part of its purpose is to install software on my system. It is extremely common for proprietary software (not least for those with Windows heritage) to do this completely wrong, and seeing as how Steam started off in this regard with the above two points, I'm already losing whatever faint hope I ever had on it getting that right.

Furthermore, Steam is just a software installer. I'd rather take care of that part myself. The less software, the better.

Steam isn't all bad. It updates my games when it goes to a new version!