Best Farming fix. Easy?

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Re: Best Farming fix. Easy?

Postby Chakravanti » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:11 pm

I'm not quite sure thatsoil quality itself should affect farming. At least not at the rate of soil nodes and qualities we see in distribution now. No one would ever see decent crops.

If soil is allowed to be cultivated, however, then we see the effect of trees going up a few hundred points of potential quality which is going to drastically increase the margin of almost every other product's potential development.

However, if we would like to see farming be softcapped by a natural resource like soil the we can simply make it a quintessential ingredient to compost. If this is done then there should be a scale that means the ideal peak is determined and Q10 should be ABLE to achieve that but it should be extremely difficult. Q90ish soil should be able to reach 2x-3x that potential value. If you develop your compost to beyond the potential development of Q10, then Q10 should nerf it. So that high quality soil is used sparingly to raise the quality to a level of resource that reflects what a given community has more sustainable access to.

The tiles/plots/etc. themselves would have a cultivated value. Fertilizing would average out the land quality and growing crops should cost quality. Thus cultivated land becomes valuable because it takes a lot of investment to achieve. The value of high quality baked goods goes up because of their hunger:FEP ratio current demand and increased cost of production while remaining something that everyone can develop for themselves with or without access to good soil. It also takes out stupid margins of farming development.

It would put farming on par with where sausages are now.
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Re: Best Farming fix. Easy?

Postby Potjeh » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:17 pm

Like I said, soil nodes make no sense and deserve to die. Good soil should be found in large areas, for example a whole floodplain of a river would have good natural soil.

Improvement of soil is capped by q of your compost, which ties back into crop q. And as crops are limited by soil q, you run into a deadlock. This deadlock is resolved through the crop wishes system, which relies on a number of resources which should not all be found in the same area, meaning that you'll need to trade or raid to get really good crops. Better natural soil does give you an edge, though.
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Re: Best Farming fix. Easy?

Postby Lahrmid » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:42 pm

I DEMAND a friggin "empty ALL" button in the seedsbags/inventory.

I don't give a shit about quality, coz quality control is easy, it's the constant clicking and carpal tunnel syndrom whatever-it's-called that make me want to bash my friggin computer screen.


Anyway, onto the explanation... I Have a BIG wheat field, and I have full nature belief, that's 3 seeds per crop... My inventory holds 270 seeds, and I fill my inventory about 6-7 times if I harvest the whole field (READ: I really don't mind harvesting and replanting the field), but this is where the problem starts, I have to empty my seed bags TWICE before I can actually use all these seeds to replant the number of crops i harvested.

I have to empty 270 seed two out of three times I fill up my inventory. That's A HELL OF A LOT OF CLICKS, carpal tunnel incoming.
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Re: Best Farming fix. Easy?

Postby sabinati » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:55 pm

Lahrmid wrote:I DEMAND a friggin "empty ALL" button in the seedsbags/inventory.

I don't give a shit about quality, coz quality control is easy, it's the constant clicking and carpal tunnel syndrom whatever-it's-called that make me want to bash my friggin computer screen.


Anyway, onto the explanation... I Have a BIG wheat field, and I have full nature belief, that's 3 seeds per crop... My inventory holds 270 seeds, and I fill my inventory about 6-7 times if I harvest the whole field (READ: I really don't mind harvesting and replanting the field), but this is where the problem starts, I have to empty my seed bags TWICE before I can actually use all these seeds to replant the number of crops i harvested.

I have to empty 270 seed two out of three times I fill up my inventory. That's A HELL OF A LOT OF CLICKS, carpal tunnel incoming.


use mousewheel instead of clicking? more seedbags wouldn't hurt either...
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Re: Best Farming fix. Easy?

Postby Lahrmid » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:17 am

sabinati wrote:use mousewheel instead of clicking? more seedbags wouldn't hurt either...



I'm carrying 30 seedbags, and each one has room for 9 seeds, that's 9x30=270 ;)


Wait... What do you mean by mousewheel? I've been searching on and off for ages for a way to drop stuff easier...
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Re: Best Farming fix. Easy?

Postby sabinati » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:28 am

hold shift, move mousewheel to transfer between containers

edit: and by more seedbags i mean empty ones to swap out your full ones since you probably aren't sorting q for a field that size
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Re: Best Farming fix. Easy?

Postby Lahrmid » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:49 am

Wait... I'm confused... This will just postpone my issue (which is having to drop all my seeds) won't it?
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Re: Best Farming fix. Easy?

Postby sabinati » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:25 am

well you could skip the dropping step and replant and grind flour directly from the seedbags i guess
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Re: Best Farming fix. Easy?

Postby Lahrmid » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:41 am

Well, due to the Nature Belief I get 3x as many seeds as I need, so replanting is out of the question... Which leaves flour grinding... :(

So, yah, Seedbag drop all button plx
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Re: Best Farming fix. Easy?

Postby sabinati » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:02 am

why would you want to drop precious lp
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