Since when do the devs do resurections on request?

[DatOneGuy]

Yeah, it's not so much a problem with him being alive, as it a problem with the rest of us having to start over when we die. If this was Random McNoob rather than a high end jeweller, an important character owned by a well-known player, would he be rezzed? I think not.

I was kinda pissed when Jorb removed that cliff in Sodom, so it's understandable I'm pissed now. Favouritism is a cancer upon the game's community.

The cliff is also bullshit imo.

I've tried making a village before around cliffs and I fucking hated it, but that's no reason to do it for one village and no other villages.

I've never had personal interaction with either of the cliffed areas, so I don't know how bad they are, my only actual experience with cliffs and village building was before I joined Sodom, and I still hate them from then. There are too many, and there is no way to get rid of them, the fact that cliffs in general are being widely exploited these days furthers the problem that they either need to be properly addressed with a way around them (for both building purposes and moving purposes) or left to their devices as some ultimate evil (that shouldn't be interrupted)

That was my bad, I saw your name post once, and then after it was Squidgy posting about it, you two are easy to confuse.

Sorry that I can't provide facts since I wasn't there firsthand, but I can provide knowledge that I obtained from the situation secondparty, loftar is being lied to in this situation, which changes the whole outcome.

The problem isn't that they chose to do it 'based on the situation' as fully as it is based on the addition that both of the involved parties live in the same house too many things change that can't be tracked online, the only options are taking things at face value or having a stiff set of rules that you adhere to.

[Potjeh]

Those noobs got rezzed because you were bug abusing.

And I am taking it up with the devs. They read the forums, AFAIK.

[sabinati]

1)Gato has interest in lying that he stole Rage's account. Why? Personal reasons.

are you saying that gato didn't steal rage's account, and is lying and saying that he did? ???

2)This isn't a glitch it's a security problem, not the game's security problem. Rage's security problem. Gato didn't 'hack his email' as I'm sure you guys very well overplayed to make it seem as if it were as you said that "Gato exploited that 'Password resets never expire' and used and 'forwarded' the email to a throwaway account."

you sure seem to know a lot about it, would you care to elaborate? where are you getting your information from?

3)Gato has personal reasons to want to have Rage stay.
a]Let your sister leave and live with this guy, while she's pregnant. (Yeah, sure, that's a great idea)
b]Lie and let the stupid bum get his account back so that instead of disappearing for 2 days like he did and ending up drunk in a sewer or in the papers for jumping off a 6 story building and only being mildly injured, the child is actually safe.

???

4)Gato has access to Rage's account directly via PC, what reason would he have for such convoluted means?

are you living there as well? again, where are you getting your information from?

5)Personal security stupidity is going to be rewarded now? Yeah sorry but that's ridiculous, no this isn't a 'GM' problem because this isn't a 'Game' problem, it's a personal security problem, to a personal problem. There's obvious tension between the two if it came to this, and this security 'problem' is more provable because anyone could have hopped on that computer, so likewise I guess I'll just force my 6yo brother to play this game so that one day if I die I'll say that he stole my computer and went killing people. All I'd have to do is have him confess after all.

how is it a reward?

These are all problems that have to deal with personal bullshit. They in no way are related to the game.

I've never said that loftar is foolish in decisions at all, and I'm not implying that. However I am stating that he was lied to, and furthermore you sabinati, and Spiff both know this. The proof is all over IRC chatlogs, and I made a big stink so no, now none of you can deny what happened or what was said, there were more than enough people there to prove me right.

post them logs bro because idk wtf you're going on about.

This is an extremely slippery slope, whether it's called a one-time thing or not it's ridiculous. Not from the point of "I'm not a goon and I hate goons so I want them to die blabhablahblah" because that's stupid. This is a bad thing from the point of view that if I can 'prove' external means which the game cannot track I can easily lie about what happened, Gato could have just as easily taken the character and made a false raid on Sodom as a 'concealed suicide'. Then what?
There's no real safety or meaning in killing someone at all if there is always the chance of some bullshit ace in the hole "AHA! IVE BEEN REVIVED".

you seem to be making some pretty retarded jumps here. there's not going to be a bullshit ace in the hole if you kill people using legitimate means.

[Sotsa]

Also I have seen you write that J&L were lied to on multiple occasions?
How is this the case? Did you presonally read the PMs in regard? Because this sounds like pure speculation to me.

[burgingham]

I do happen to have first hand information on this. While gato did access Rages account without him knowing, he was not hacking it or anything the like. So yeah loftar has been lied to, the two of them used to share accounts and passwords. Stupid of Rage to go and kill gato, but not having set up a proper password to secure his account. While you can discuss the moral integrity of such actions, this doesn't have to be of any concern to the devs. Rage fucked up, couldn't deal irl with losing a stupid game char and was giving gato shit of whatever kind for this. So gato lied to loftar to make things right. Problem here beeing that all of us who won't get ressed should we die over sume dumb inccident suffer from such actions.

[sabinati]

yeah rage and gato used to share accts and passwords, but rage changed his password, and gato got the new one somehow...

[burgingham]

Because rage reused a password he had already used in the past.

[DatOneGuy]

I forgot. I'm aware that this won't be repealed most likely, and I don't care if he's rekilled, left to live, or buffed to double his stats.

What I want to know with 100% certainty is whether or not this will happen again.

If I go around and killl someone will he get rezzed because once upon a time I macro'd 10 points?
Will someone get rezzed because they had their brother playing their account or they went to the library during 'war' so they could say they were hijacked for it by someone in their village and use that?
Will someone get rezzed because someone else knew their password and 'admits' to something?


To what extent will this be a problem for me in the future, I have excellent security and short of Gilbertus or Pacho deciding they want all the accounts and throwing in an 'update' that steals your password, I'm more than safe.

It's simple for me to avoid this pitfall as the one person who knows my password other than me is someone I've known for over 5 years and has no incentive to do anything of the sort, and we never give each other any as we're actual 'friends' not people thrown into circumstances.

Since this is so easy to avoid, and it's something that should be done in any case as it's security overall, I'll never have a need to cash in on this, so I want to know that no one else will be able to.

Also I have seen you write that J&L were lied to on multiple occasions?
How is this the case? Did you presonally read the PMs in regard? Because this sounds like pure speculation to me.

Nothing I can post in here, but I can prove it within the extent of the credibility of my source.
For a partial answer check burg's post.

[DatOneGuy]

1)Gato has interest in lying that he stole Rage's account. Why? Personal reasons.

are you saying that gato didn't steal rage's account, and is lying and saying that he did? ???

2)This isn't a glitch it's a security problem, not the game's security problem. Rage's security problem. Gato didn't 'hack his email' as I'm sure you guys very well overplayed to make it seem as if it were as you said that "Gato exploited that 'Password resets never expire' and used and 'forwarded' the email to a throwaway account."

you sure seem to know a lot about it, would you care to elaborate? where are you getting your information from?

3)Gato has personal reasons to want to have Rage stay.
a]Let your sister leave and live with this guy, while she's pregnant. (Yeah, sure, that's a great idea)
b]Lie and let the stupid bum get his account back so that instead of disappearing for 2 days like he did and ending up drunk in a sewer or in the papers for jumping off a 6 story building and only being mildly injured, the child is actually safe.

???

4)Gato has access to Rage's account directly via PC, what reason would he have for such convoluted means?

are you living there as well? again, where are you getting your information from?

5)Personal security stupidity is going to be rewarded now? Yeah sorry but that's ridiculous, no this isn't a 'GM' problem because this isn't a 'Game' problem, it's a personal security problem, to a personal problem. There's obvious tension between the two if it came to this, and this security 'problem' is more provable because anyone could have hopped on that computer, so likewise I guess I'll just force my 6yo brother to play this game so that one day if I die I'll say that he stole my computer and went killing people. All I'd have to do is have him confess after all.

how is it a reward?

These are all problems that have to deal with personal bullshit. They in no way are related to the game.

I've never said that loftar is foolish in decisions at all, and I'm not implying that. However I am stating that he was lied to, and furthermore you sabinati, and Spiff both know this. The proof is all over IRC chatlogs, and I made a big stink so no, now none of you can deny what happened or what was said, there were more than enough people there to prove me right.

post them logs bro because idk wtf you're going on about.

This is an extremely slippery slope, whether it's called a one-time thing or not it's ridiculous. Not from the point of "I'm not a goon and I hate goons so I want them to die blabhablahblah" because that's stupid. This is a bad thing from the point of view that if I can 'prove' external means which the game cannot track I can easily lie about what happened, Gato could have just as easily taken the character and made a false raid on Sodom as a 'concealed suicide'. Then what?
There's no real safety or meaning in killing someone at all if there is always the chance of some bullshit ace in the hole "AHA! IVE BEEN REVIVED".

you seem to be making some pretty retarded jumps here. there's not going to be a bullshit ace in the hole if you kill people using legitimate means.

How are 'these' means not legitimate?

All of that stuff you questionmarked is common information that Rage gave himself, he also personally said that he can access Gato's PC, and Gato said he can access his, that's not too surprising now is it? They live in the same house.

Someone so heavily invested in the game, in that situation? Yeah, you tell yourself that rage didn't give him shit all the way up and down, and it's not like there isn't shit to give in such a personal situation.

The reward is that he got his character back for his stupidity.

He stole his account, but he didn't go through all of those means to do it, which is hence the 'lie'. He didn't 'hijack his email', he didn't 'abuse some bug about email passwords lasting forever'. As Rage led you all to believe in IRC this was not HIS security problem but HnHs as he overstated the fact that Gato used an exploit in how password resets work and are everlasting and claimed that Gato forwarded an old one to a throwaway email account to use that, nothing about this situation is that complicated, and no part of it at all is a Haven and Hearth security flaw.

[Killface]

Why so serious?