Skin colour

[Kinky]

Why does he think his race is so superior and deserves special treatment to break realism of the game lore?

This sums up everything. In a white world asking for equality is seen as demanding superiority and special treatment. And when you ask the majority to give up the tiniest of priviliges, they chuck little tantrums of hyperbole and ad absurdio arguments.

So it isn't demanding special treatment for example to insert Native Americans into a Medieval world....

It isn't special treatment to demand employment based on color and not ability?

What is definition of "special treatment"

[Gavla]

So it isn't demanding special treatment for example to insert Native Americans into a Medieval world....
It isn't special treatment to demand employment based on color and not ability?

Are you taking your examples on some sort of world tour?

I can't believe how many people here are using totally inappropriate examples of much more out of place things than my suggestion inserted into much more historical settings than HnH. It's poor reasoning. It's a bad analogue. You're doing it to try and strawman me - if you can find some place where my post-modernist-political-correctness philosophy appears to break down then you can claim that my original suggestion was the product of a deulded fascist.

Anybody would think you might politely disagree so that we could get along and play the game together and get your server population up. Apparently bullying people who don't subscribe to your Dawkins/Assangist-geek-Libertarianism worldview out of the community is more important though.

I didn't ask for Mosques or equal opportunity employment - I just suggested a TINY concession based on how the allwhiteness looked from my side.

BTW, leaving offending posts up as a warning totally defeats the purpose of moderation, which is to make your theoretically publicly open game related community a safe and welcoming environment.

[Kinky]

You're doing it to try and strawman me

Not sure if you know what a strawman is...

But correct me if wrong.

You wish to add black color for pigment of avatars.
Even though it does not fit the culture this game is striving for.

Than you say it is a strawman for the example of "Native American in England during Dark Ages"

Not in the slightest.
Unless of course adding black pigment no matter what culture the game is portraying isn't your goal.

[Zigabogado]

Excuse me.
Why is this all about black people?
Why can't we have Muslims too?
No one wants a second crusade? I do. :I

[LimaZulu]

You're doing it to try and strawman me

Not sure if you know what a strawman is...

But correct me if wrong.

You wish to add black color for pigment of avatars.
Even though it does not fit the culture this game is striving for.

Than you say it is a strawman for the example of "Native American in England during Dark Ages"

Not in the slightest.
Unless of course adding black pigment no matter what culture the game is portraying isn't your goal.

The game isn't portraying any culture; it's based off of one. The existence of tobacco in the Old World is rather... out of place, no? It's not even specified to be the Old World. There's no reason besides technical not to have varied sprites.

[Kinky]

The game isn't portraying any culture.

Yes it is...

Haven & Hearth is a MMORPG (Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game) set in a fictional world loosely inspired by Slavic and Germanic myth and legend. The game sets itself apart from other games in the genre in its aim to provide players with an interactive, affectable and mutable game world, which can be permanently and fundamentally changed and affected through actions undertaken by the players. Our fundamental goal with Haven & Hearth is to create a game in which player choices have permanent and/or lasting effects and, thus, providing said players with a meaningful and fun gaming experience

There's no reason besides technical not to have varied sprites

Agree, but that doesn't include racial diversity that didn't exist in the portrayed culture.

[Spiff]

This a horrible thread with horrible posters. Just FYI.

[LimaZulu]

The game isn't portraying any culture.

Yes it is...

Haven & Hearth is a MMORPG (Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game) set in a fictional world loosely inspired bySlavic and Germanic myth and legend. The game sets itself apart from other games in the genre in its aim to provide players with an interactive, affectable and mutable game world, which can be permanently and fundamentally changed and affected through actions undertaken by the players. Our fundamental goal with Haven & Hearth is to create a game in which player choices have permanent and/or lasting effects and, thus, providing said players with a meaningful and fun gaming experience

There's no reason besides technical not to have varied sprites

Agree, but that doesn't include racial diversity that didn't exist in the portrayed culture.

I'm gonna highlight in red the important part, and bold the really important parts.

[Kinky]

I'm gonna highlight in red the important part, and bold the really important parts.

by your definition of loosely there wouldn't be anything wrong with nuclear weapons and airplanes than would there?

One of the few things that does not fit culture as you pointed out is tobacco
.... one of the very few things.

[Gavla]

The strawman works like this:
You say : Do you think it's unreasonable special treatment to demand that a lesser qualified employee be considered for a job because of the colour of their skin? Do you think it's unreasonable special treatment that a game set in England during the 'Dark Ages'? (Did you borrow that terminology from 1986?)
I say : Yes, I believe in equality!
You say : Well unfortunatley history has not been equal and is inefficient for the business. Therefore political correctness is bad, and you believe in political correctness, therefore you are enthralled to a bad philosophy. Therefore your first suggestion of changing skin colours - one coming not only from you but politically correct, is bad.

This whole thing hinges on your assertion that inserting Native Americans into something set in Medieval England is comparable to being able to select a skin pigmentation at the beginning of HnH. I don't know how many damn times I've had to say now that I consider this wrong.

The support I provide for this assertion is the fact that the game is not actually set in a particular place and time, that it features fantasy elements, that it excludes many of the elements which would be essential to any truly dedicated historical setting, and that it borrows the mythology from a wide range of mythologies, including South American ones, it seems.

Frankly, I think the only reason you people keep asserting how 'historical' and 'realistic' it is is because you're so deeply uncomfortable with the idea of political correctness. I feel that you'd sooner kid yourself that HnH is some sort of hardcore historical roleplaying scenario and you sit there engrossed and immersed in that when it isn't and you don't, than acknowledge your privilege by admitting that all white avatars might seem quite offputting or even offensive to some people even if they don't have any effect on you.