Since when do the devs do resurections on request?

[burgingham]

Do you allow me to ask you the same question should you get killed again (which is unlikely but still), without you going berserk irl and assaulting people?

[Avu]

Why so serious?

You do realize the goons would have kicked your sorry ass out of goonland if they hadn't invested so much into your sorry behind already right? I mean you're a fucking liability. They must have been truly desperate the day they took you in.

[Spiff]

You do realize the goons would have kicked your sorry ass out of goonland if they hadn't invested so much into your sorry behind already right? I mean you're a fucking liability. They must have been truly desperate the day they took you in.

[DatOneGuy]

Why so serious?

(22:51:52) <%Rage> nah he had my email password or something
(22:52:20) <%Rage> and forwarded an old email password reset to himself
(22:52:25) <%Rage> i guess they dont expire?
(22:52:29) <%Rage> so he reset the pass


It's serious because you manipulated (by lying) to a developer and forcing the hand of another player in order to get back what you lost by your own stupidity.

There was no extrenuating circumstances, the only actual problem here is that you lied to get back what you lost. You've made it seem as though it's their fault, when it isn't.

This was nothing more than your stupidity and the obvious unfolding of events, if it happened again and you were smart enough to actually change your password to something new and completely different, maybe, just maybe, this wouldn't have happened.


Again, the problem here with this specific situation is that you manipulated people and lied to get back what you lost. That's pitiful, first you ran away like a little bitch and sabinati cried all over IRC and insulted anyone who walked in because he was mad. I don't understand even how someone with such pitiful security hasn't had this happen to you previously, I don't understand how anyone could trust you ingame considering this.

However in light of all of this, whether loftar uses the information that you lied to him or whether he simply ignores it, I want to make sure this kind of absolute bullshit doesn't effect me directly in the future. If this kind of shit can work or any excuse to 'get your account back' other than bugs, I want to know so I can stop right now.

[Dusk]

Resurrecting a character who died in game is total bullshit unless he was killed by a bug. A hacked account is a gray area, personally I feel the devs shouldn't take any action, security is your own problem. This situation is different, as it's been acknowledged by both parties that Elgato and Rage have a personal relationship, even going so far as to share passwords (unless Elgato is lying, which makes this entire debate pointless). How the devs could possible resurrect Rage I have no idea, but this is a dangerous precedent. It makes me question if I even want to play this game anymore.

[stickman]

I am extremely dissapointed with Jorb and Loftar for this. If players do not have any confidence to trust the devs decisions then this game will not have a very long lasting community.

I live with my brother, if he killed me in this mannor would not expect the devs to resurect me, or even reply to me about it for that matter... The only difference between someone like myself and someone like Rage and El Gato is that they have "connections" and are well known... I have only messaged jorb/loftar 2x i think since playing and I have never received any replies... this game is starting to seem like UO shard where the GM gives his buddies special privilages so that they are a popular and well liked GM.... only issue is that games like that fall apart and become corrupt really fast.


Im waiting for Jorb/Loftar to reply to this topic. This is rediculous...

[Sotsa]

I am extremely dissapointed with Jorb and Loftar for this. If players do not have any confidence to trust the devs decisions then this game will not have a very long lasting community.

I live with my brother, if he killed me in this mannor would not expect the devs to resurect me, or even reply to me about it for that matter... The only difference between someone like myself and someone like Rage and El Gato is that they have "connections" and are well known... I have only messaged jorb/loftar 2x i think since playing and I have never received any replies... this game is starting to seem like UO shard where the GM gives his buddies special privilages so that they are a popular and well liked GM.... only issue is that games like that fall apart and become corrupt really fast.


Im waiting for Jorb/Loftar to reply to this topic. This is rediculous...

lol

AFAIK J&L have no specific love for Rage or goons.
I might be wrong but I don't get that impression.

[MightyAgrippa]

It was an account theft. The thief confessed. The devs checked the logs and took action. You guys are seriously petty for raising a stink about this just because you don't like the victim. Hell, I think Avu is a gigantic weepy cunt and I'd still want him to get his character back if he lost it to an account theft. But I guess that's just the kind of warm-hearted guy I am.

[Neptjunoue]

OK people are having way too much personal interest in winning this argument due to political reasons. The majority of the ones that did not agree on the resurrection are Rage's nemesis as he is a controversial person that is important skill-wise to have an effect on the village. The one that do agree with the resurrection are generally the Goons whom sees his jewel-crafting skill too crucial to lose. The fact that political ties are into this argument, skew the perception of many people here. Had another person had the same incident, notably Flame, then the argument would be different; in this case, being a fairly popular figure, many would agree. That being said we need to see Rage not as a goon or a jewelcrafter or controversial person but simply a player of the game.

Not I have read two versions: one that Gato hacked into the email of Rage, and one, Gato password guessed the email, both presuming that Rage changed the password after killing Gato. Security is the player's resonsibility, not the developers. In many of the account oriented games that I have played, most of them do offer to restore the account security but do not reimburse anything that was lost. Somewhat topic but I would think that if an email is compromised, the owner would have more than just a game account to worry about.

Seeing this from another standpoint, if this is an accepted practice, that wuld mean that similar situations would have to be allowed reresurrection as well or risk being biased and losing trust in the playtesters. Now because this is a game that is allowed alts, this makes it also makes it hard to know if the account is one person or two person (read Lman and Josan) and what the circumstances is. IP can only go so far as there are some ways to circumvent this.

We also do not know what exactly is the standard (being the fact that there isn't one of yet) of allowing one to be resurrected. Klaue was not allowed as it was stated he clearly put himself into danger. This was allowed due to player security error which I do not agree with as accounts are the responsibility of the player, not the developers. I recall one incident in Congress of a hacked account.

If this was to be allowed, then we may need a standard of what is allowed to be restored and what is not.

That is my 2 copper bars for the day.

[Thepotatomasher]

It was an account theft. The thief confessed. The devs checked the logs and took action. You guys are seriously petty for raising a stink about this just because you don't like the victim. Hell, I think Avu is a gigantic weepy cunt and I'd still want him to get his character back if he lost it to an account theft. But I guess that's just the kind of warm-hearted guy I am.

afaik as long as gato didn't receive lp for killing rage it's like it didn't happen. if he kept the lp it might be a problem