Money and Trade System

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Re: Money and Trade System

Postby theTrav » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:25 am

Erik_the_Blue wrote:Rabble Rabble Rabble


If those dirty long haired hippies got proper jobs and worked hard and were born into the wealthy class like us honest hardworking land-and-factory-owners then they'd enjoy the same benefits that we do.
It's only because they're lazy that they're so poor, and hard working inheritors like myself are merely reaping our just rewards.


I think the topic was about trade and whether the dev's should implement some sort of currency to encourage trade.

To be honest, I think it's a bad idea, that would only lead to inflation and devaluing of goods all around
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Re: Money and Trade System

Postby Colbear » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:36 am

theTrav wrote:
Erik_the_Blue wrote:Rabble Rabble Rabble


I think the topic was about trade and whether the dev's should implement some sort of currency to encourage trade.

To be honest, I think it's a bad idea, that would only lead to inflation and devaluing of goods all around


You're stupid.
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Re: Money and Trade System

Postby Junkfist2 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:03 am

Hey theTrav how's about you and Laremere just go play miniature golf, ok?

Here's the jorb posts that fucking nobody bothered to link or bring out that I had to scrounge up on my own:

jorb wrote:Bank notes are of course excellent inventions as long as they are backed by a meaningful currency standard.


jorb wrote:And it will be a stormy night in Pleasantville before I introduce fiat currencies in Haven. The beauty of make believe is that you can eliminate some of the less pleasurable aspects of RL. ;)

And, yes, it could be a bundle of fun if nations, for example, could strike coins with their names on them. There are, however, some problems related to that. We'll see.

And, also, there will be no attempts by us to try and regulate the value of in game items (Coins included). The hopeless futility of "plan economy" (A form of socioeconomic system, thusly named because of its rampant lack of planning) is no less real in a game than it is in real life.


jorb wrote:Debased currencies!? Some evils should be kept out, even of computer games.

(I might consider it, as an interesting economic experiment, if nothing else. But I'm going to hate myself every step of the way. Long live the gold standard.)


None of what's being asked for is either a mechanically enforced fiat currency or a standard-backed currency but just the ability for our townships to make our own decisions regarding our economy.

If we want to have THE CHARCOAL STANDARD or whatever backing it, or if we want to be some nightmarish, statist, dystopian, big brother government throwing out fiat flaxbills willy-nilly with a stamp on them, or if we just want the coins to be worth their weight in whatever they're made of, that should be left up to us.

Using metals as a commodity money hasn't worked mainly because there's no real sink for it, besides the occasional repairs and replacing armor once in a blue moon, and so hasn't been accepted as a reliable good to trade in. Artificially generating a sink for it with something goofy like the NPC store manager wages suggestion in the "Shops" thread is plan-economy regulative bullshit.

So frankly we still don't really *have* a reliable currency, and can't until we open up the possibility of a standard-based representative money AND fiat money through a signature system.
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Re: Money and Trade System

Postby theTrav » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:39 pm

Colbear wrote:You're stupid.

TOUCHE!

Junkfist2 wrote:Hey theTrav how's about you and Laremere just go play miniature golf, ok?
Here's the jorb posts that fucking nobody bothered to link or bring out that I had to scrounge up on my own

Please don't take my inane comments too seriously, I'm not deliberately trying to piss on your hopes and dreams of having some in game economic experiments, I hope you get to try out whatever it is you're interested and wish you well with it
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Re: Money and Trade System

Postby Junkfist2 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:13 pm

I know mang I'm just fuckin with you.
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