Since when do the devs do resurections on request?

[DatOneGuy]

It was an account theft. The thief confessed. The devs checked the logs and took action. You guys are seriously petty for raising a stink about this just because you don't like the victim. Hell, I think Avu is a gigantic weepy cunt and I'd still want him to get his character back if he lost it to an account theft. But I guess that's just the kind of warm-hearted guy I am.

Either you're someone's horribly obvious alt account on a proxy or you're retarded.

How about you read, the problem is
A)Favoritism
B)They were lied to, which is what led to it happening.

The 'confessor' lied, however just because he was the one who killed him doesn't mean he's the only one affected.

[Neptjunoue]

There was no LP gain as it was a suicide. The term thief was rather sketchy in this instant as Rage has allowed Gato to access his account in the past before, from what I read.

[Thepotatomasher]

There was no LP gain as it was a suicide. The term thief was rather sketchy in this instant as Rage has allowed Gato to access his account in the past before, from what I read.

if he was drown it would have been suicide. he was killed behind a rock from reading the thread

[MightyAgrippa]

It's not favoritism, I'd want them to investigate and take appropriate action in any confirmed case of account theft.

Every MMO has some policy regarding account thefts. Most of them have a petition process that has a reasonable chance of returning the stolen characters to their previous state. If a system like this really offends you that much, please go ahead and stop playing instead of crying and farting loudly about it at great length.

[Zirikana]

I'm not exactly the most interactive player in the game, but by my outsider, 3rd person perspective on this, it does seem like a big deal. Setting aside the favoritism issue for now, "permadeath" must be respected above just about everything else. That's the keystone to the entire game and how the players approach it.

Violating this principle, even though the devs have every right to do what they want with their game, is not something to be taken lightly. Yes, they can "rez" anyone they like, and any time, but the game community is right in taking offense to it when it's done by seemingly arbitrary rules, and i'm sure the devs are generally concerned about keeping the player base more or less happy.

Maybe now we can get a strict set of rules worked out for when ressurection is warranted. I like the idea of restricting it to deaths due to undiscovered in-game "bugs" or unintended consequences of how the game is implemented. (i'll be the millionth person to play the "it is an alpha after all" card ) Any other type of death is basically just a learning experience for the player, both in game and in rl. "So now i WON'T put a crossroad next to a wall anymore, or share my password, or try boxing with a wild boar, or....". Put another way, any death that causes the devs to change how the game is BUILT should be considered for rezzing. Any death that simply causes us to change how we PLAY the game, should not.

As to this particular case, i don't think i have the energy or motivation to sift through all the confusion and back-and-forth and try and figure out who's right or wrong... and my opinion wouldn't really carry much weight anyway, so i'll keep my mouth shut But maybe it would help to first form a rule or law that we can all agree on (or at least the devs and mods), and THEN look at the specifics of this case.

[Dataslycer]

Well spoken Zirikana. This is why we needed a 3rd party who is not involved to lay down some insight here.

[Blacktooth]

Let me clear something up. I was the one that took action (PM'd Loftar). I was not asked to do this. I did not ask anyone if it was ok. It is not something I have done before. The rest of the people involved were going to do nothing about it. I take full responsibility for asking for the resurrection. It was not even discussed among myself and the other Goons. Well, when the death, and at the time the assumed method of the death, were discussed the question was asked if there should be an appeal. The consensus was why bother, they won't do anything about it.

12 to 24 hours later after waiting to see how things were going I decided an appeal wouldn't hurt. The worst that could be said was No. I asked questions about the details that we knew at the time about what happened. Who killed Gato? (Rage's alt with help from others) Where was Rage's main? (Locked up on his claim) Did Rage's main have any scents? (No) Was the brickwall intact and was the gate locked? (Yes) Were there any scents on or around Rage's claim? (No)

I then put these facts into a PM and asked nicely if a resurrection was possible.

There were no lies. There was no subterfuge. There was no great Goon conspiracy. If the answer was no, then so be it. At least I (someone) tried. As far as I know, no one else bothered to do anything about it. Just me.

Not long after sending the PM I saw Gato in #haven. He was apologizing and saying he wished he hadn't done what he did. While everyone else (especially Goons) were raging and going off on Gato, I PM'd him on IRC saying there was a possibility he could at least fix part of what happened. I suggested he might try to PM Loftar telling him what had happened, what he did, and if it was possible for Rage to have his character back. He agreed.

With that said, I agree that a more firm definition of when a resurrection is called for would be a nice thing to have. To be honest, I didn't think it was such a big deal, and would raise such a stink. And I think possibly if the shoe was on the other foot that some people here would have different opinions, but whatever.

[Shadowstar009]

If your roommate cancelled your WoW account with 20 lvl70 chars on it, do you think Blizzard would give a fuck about your complaints? All you could do would be beating the shit out of your roomie, and learning to pick better friends in the future.

I don't really care that much about the rest of this thread, but I have to comment on this. Blizzard's GMs actually do item and character restorations like this all the time. Heck, as long as you don't have a history of abusing the ticket system, 90% of the time they will restore important items to you even when you accidentally destroy them yourself.

It's happened to me multiple times in the past, including one time when I hadn't played the game in over a year, only to find out that someone had reactivated my account, changed the password, and was actively playing my character. I was able to recover my account and have my items/gold restored with very little trouble. I even got some free play time out of the deal because whoever reactivated my account stupidly paid for 3 months in advance.

[sabinati]

Why so serious?

You do realize the goons would have kicked your sorry ass out of goonland if they hadn't invested so much into your sorry behind already right? I mean you're a fucking liability. They must have been truly desperate the day they took you in.

lol rage is well liked by all of us i don't expect you to understand that though

[Skorm]

Check what? shit that happened on the same ip? Does loftar also have webcams watching each and every one of us to check if it's actually us doing the things we pretend to do?