Scents: Stop with the shit suggestions.

[JTG]

As we know, theres a scent system in place. The problem with this is 30 exploration covers around 1-120 stealth. Its a gauranteed kill, So what do thieves do?

They alt abuse
They grief the shit out of you because they think its funny, and don't like you.
They don't even bother using their mains, and probobly never will no matter how many security updates you make.
Removal of alt stashes will just make another secure storage replace said tactic.
People think they know how the scent system works, They really don't and all they do is make more stupid suggestions.
Making alt inventories reachable will cause thieves to start being malicious as hell, instead of being able to get your items, you may find all of them on the ground with materials processed into stuff.

How the scent system works:
Exploration adds a higher % to see a clue. It is never 0%
You get a recheck to whether you see the clue everytime you load an area.
Someone with 130 stealth is detectable in this way, as you can just enter and exit a cabin until you see his clue.
Clues harvested last forever, and you can store as many as possible.
You can harvest clues for hours adding onto the above.
Theres no way to not kill a person you have a clue for unless they log in and fight you, making this retarded.
You get rewarded with an alt kill, and making your main very much vulnerable FOREVER, when thief's murderous main goes on its rampage.

What will happen with the current system:
Alts will never stop being used until stealing is far too costly to even be viable.
Griefing will take its place.
30 more security updates.
When stealing is far too costly to even be viable, you'll see all of the thieves disappear along with a massive chunk of the playerbase, as they get bored of farming and making the same items over and over, with nothing happening. If you enjoy doing repetitive tasks, for days upon days. Then the game will be just perfect for you.


To clarify, you all never know what you are talking about and continually make terrible suggestions. Discuss, this topic with the above in mind, and not with what you've observed, known, or been told about.

[jorb]

I agree with you in so far as that I don't believe that further repression of thievery is the way to go. Thieving needs to be fleshed out into a respectable, balanced, high risk, but potentially very lucrative, business.

We do, however, have to keep combating tactics which reduce the thievery risk to zero.

[Rugs]

I agree with the OP

[JTG]

Bumping to hopefully consolidate all theft arguments into one thread.

[Raephire]

I agree with you in so far as that I don't believe that further repression of thievery is the way to go. Thieving needs to be fleshed out into a respectable, balanced, high risk, but potentially very lucrative, business.

We do, however, have to keep combating tactics which reduce the thievery risk to zero.

A very skilled thief should have NO CHANCE of being detected by someone who doesnt have an adequately high perception, intelligence, and exploration, pure and simple

[theTrav]

A very skilled thief should have NO CHANCE of being detected by someone who doesnt have an adequately high perception, intelligence, and exploration, pure and simple

To phrase it another way, a thief who had spent as much time grinding his stealth as raeph has grinding his melee, should have the same chance of being detected by a new player as raeph has of being hit by a new player.

[Colbear]

I agree with you in so far as that I don't believe that further repression of thievery is the way to go. Thieving needs to be fleshed out into a respectable, balanced, high risk, but potentially very lucrative, business.

We do, however, have to keep combating tactics which reduce the thievery risk to zero.

What if you can only see scents on YOUR property? Or if you had a reduced chance to see thefts that weren't on your property? Right now, the problem as I see it is that there's 3-4 self-proclaimed "sheriffs" running around enacting "justice", so no thief can get themselves "started", as it were, by practicing with little thefts and working up to bigger ones, or whatever. The current way, as I understand it, would be to either make an alt, or to grind up a ridiculous amount of stealth: enough to dodge a supercharacter.

Hunters don't have to spend forever grinding LP by making baskets before they go off and hunt for the first time ever. Instead, they hit little baby animals like rabbits and sheep, and gradually work their way up to low-level foxes and boars, and then mid-level ones, etc, etc, until they're strong enough to punch bears to death or whatever.

Also, obligatory "maybe crafting should have levels to pump LP into, that lets you craft better stuff or something, because right now crafting kind of plateaus once you get enough LP to buy all the skills and then you have nowhere to put them but into the combat/exploration/stealth stuff".