Undo this shit.

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Undo this shit.

Postby Chakravanti » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:59 am

Great idea. SHitty execution. Keep us on lockdown and no one is going to play for very much longer because their main charecter has no fucking weariness to travel with. They live in BFE.

Forget AGi ratings. Even the uberchars are fucked.

Either A) Increase regen rates. Atm they're rediculous. I should have to log out for three days just to get back to %0 That's stupid. I want to play H&H

or B) Remove the new system. It's great, but it was done with the shittiest execution possible. I mean...I really am about to give up. I can't DO SHIT. Because I'm spending so much time traveling. THat's fuckign retarded. I'll go stat grind on my runescape charecter. Which is really fuckign retarded. Put it back in after we have some form of trading in bulk. I.E. BOATS

Yeah it might sound like i'm just pissed about the same shit but I'm not. It's the regen rates that are killing this system. not to mention the lack of mass transit. Teleporting in the old system was bad. The new system just isn't worth playing. The odl system is the lesser of two evils atm till you can work out a balanced math on the regen so we can actually have some form of commerce going on in this game...or just remove it till boat come in. Even then...when you put it back in....You still want to fix regen rates....cuz this shit is gay.

I'm seriosus. Not worth playing. Everyone in IRC is just short of being as blatantly shitty about this as I am.

Think I'm just tlaking about my ass? Watch players logged in over the next week. Gonna hit ~10 peak by wed/thu.
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Re: Undo this shit.

Postby Froggeryz » Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:49 am

I pretty much agree with putting the old system back until there's a better system for this

I'm currently stuck in bumfuck nowhere and I can't travel back to my village so there's just no point to playing right now.
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Re: Undo this shit.

Postby humanalien » Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:57 am

or make a herb or food that reduces travel weariness to around 50%
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Re: Undo this shit.

Postby ArPharazon » Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:34 pm

I agree that travel weariness is a bit extreme.

J&L did say high quality matters, so I'm willing to be patient until I can try uberbeds. I also appreciate very much the "feature" of preventing HH addiction =p.

But it seems some tweaking could be nice. As I've said before, why shouldn't agi (or con, possibly) determine regen rate instead of distance limit?
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Re: Undo this shit.

Postby sabinati » Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:57 pm

hurr durr i can't wait a week for the next dev session when they said they would make alcohol reduce travel weariness.
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Re: Undo this shit.

Postby Yolan » Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:01 pm

Chakravanti wrote:Great idea. SHitty execution. Keep us on lockdown and no one is going to play for very much longer because their main charecter has no fucking weariness to travel with...

Think I'm just tlaking about my ass? Watch players logged in over the next week. Gonna hit ~10 peak by wed/thu.


You know you could have posted this statement on the existing thread, but anyway...

jorb wrote:... there is a case to be made that some of you have lucked out. You've built camps all across the place, your relevant locations are spread out miles apart, and now you can't really travel between them in a good way. To some extent, this might be as it should be. When building a new camp you'll obviously be able to keep this dimension of the game in mind, and not settle at unreasonable distances. You could consider this broken, but we cannot allow development to institutionalize bad practices just to keep the status quo. Sometimes, the status quo has to be broken for the game to move forward. Obviously that will hurt for some people. I think this is why we still call it an alpha.


People are getting squeezed. New constraints exist that didn't exist before. This hurts a lot of people. Doesn't mean its wrong from a larger standpoint though. Yes, people probably are, and will quit over this. Well, what of it? Spend some time with your family. Get some fresh air. The game will still be here when you inevitably come back.

Chakravanti wrote:Think I'm just tlaking about my ass? Watch players logged in over the next week. Gonna hit ~10 peak by wed/thu.


And I'm pippy longstockings.
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Re: Undo this shit.

Postby sami1337 » Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:05 pm

I say it's not up to the devs to fix or remove this, it's up to us to improve our infrastructure. Warping back and forth was lame, now you have to put effort into travelling. It's not like they removed the ability to walk.
I do however agree that we need food to fix weariness.
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Re: Undo this shit.

Postby Chakravanti » Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:46 pm

Yolan wrote:You know you could have posted this statement on the existing thread, but anyway...


I could have, but this isn't commentary. It's a protest. THey're taking H&H from us.

People are getting squeezed. New constraints exist that didn't exist before. This hurts a lot of people. Doesn't mean its wrong from a larger standpoint though. Yes, people probably are, and will quit over this. Well, what of it? Spend some time with your family. Get some fresh air. The game will still be here when you inevitably come back.

THis has Jack shit to do with 'constraints' It doesn't MATTER where you live. It doesn't MATTER AT ALL. You cna't GO ANYWHERE after you've spent your travel bar. Those uf us out in BFE are bitching now. You sitting right in the frey probably never travel very far. BTW Good luck getting product from the mine fo yours out in BFE. THe closer people are to RoB, the slower they'll spend that bar.

But they will. And by about Wed-Thu everyone will have spent their bar.

Chakravanti wrote:Think I'm just tlaking about my ass? Watch players logged in over the next week. Gonna hit ~10 peak by wed/thu.


And I'm pippy longstockings.

And be logged out.....RECOUPING. I'm not syaing everyone is going to quit. I'm saying they'll want their travel bar. They'l be loged out, sleeping, and posting in this thread.

Bobbin' on that shit a little deep aren't you? Don't puke.

CP much?

Cuz when this goes down I want a pic of you in overalls, red pigtails and freckles.

sami1337 wrote:I say it's not up to the devs to fix or remove this, it's up to us to improve our infrastructure.


Okay....so let me get this straight....We''re SUPPOSED to make a shitton of alt with Villages that are ntohign more than crossroads? How about dropping lawspeaker to 10k then. I mean, if we're supposed to make a shitton of alts then please don't make it unreasonable. I'd rather play my main charecter and NOT alt abuse. The sig only says it cuz it's what must happen, not because I like doing it. <<<<REASON NOT TO PLAY A GAME -> It's not fun anymore.

Warping back and forth was lame, now you have to put effort into travelling. It's not like they removed the ability to walk.
I do however agree that we need food to fix weariness.


No, I AGREE!!! Warpign back and forth WAS LAME. And ahving to put effort into travelling IS AWESOME. I just don't want to spend TWO HOURS walking HALF A SUPERGRID. I feel bad for peeps out in the western supergrid......with no way back. They'll be trhe first to go imho.

Check what was promised. IIRC, food wearieness means travelling costs less, it's like an AGI buff. It doesn't give you any weariness back. Atm....other than Logging out an not playing for a week. You'll never see travel weariness.


ALL WE NEED IS A FIX TO THE REGEN SYSTEM TO MAKE RECOUP FEASABLE WITHOUT NOT PLAYING FOR A WEEK.
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Re: Undo this shit.

Postby sami1337 » Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:31 pm

Chakravanti wrote:
sami1337 wrote:I say it's not up to the devs to fix or remove this, it's up to us to improve our infrastructure.


Okay....so let me get this straight....We''re SUPPOSED to make a shitton of alt with Villages that are ntohign more than crossroads? How about dropping lawspeaker to 10k then. I mean, if we're supposed to make a shitton of alts then please don't make it unreasonable. I'd rather play my main charecter and NOT alt abuse. The sig only says it cuz it's what must happen, not because I like doing it. <<<<REASON NOT TO PLAY A GAME -> It's not fun anymore.


No you're supposed to walk. Travelling is a new way to quickly move from A to B. I agree that there need to be other ways to regenerate weariness but if you settled far out it's up to you to deal with it, because you knew they were working on something to make it harder for you.
Nowhere does it say you need to build crossroad networks to enable fast travel to outer regions.

Instead of blaming this update, try suggesting things to compensate for this problem. Like the warehouse trading idea, or trade over mail.
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Re: Undo this shit.

Postby Yolan » Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:32 pm

J.H.C. man. If this game means that much to you maybe you should quit. It's not freaking healthy. It will get fixed. Just stop freaking out and come back in two weeks or something once alcohol is in.
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