Allow claim owners to easily break walls on their claims

[TeckXKnight]

Simply put, allow personal claim owners to more easily destroy walls and potentially other objects on their claims by lowering their damage soak towards the claim owner. This benefit should not confer to anyone besides the personal claim owner, regardless of the permissions granted to them, to avoid complicating current relationships and systems.

As it stands, players who construct walls face equal trouble dealing with their defensive structures as their enemies do. While this is a great idea in theory and very realistic, the truth is that it's possible to botch your construction (especially with gates and cliffs), be locked in with your own walls, or simply need to restructure your walls over time as you need to expand or recede. You then either need to invest in a ram and/or a pali basher to break through your walls and modify anything.

Historically, in W3, 4, and 5, players who did not know to seal their cornerposts were often trapped in their own palisades and needed to request either community or dev intervention. This is not a meaningful mechanic nor is it a fun way to fight/be fought. It locks players out of retaining their ancestors on death as any hope of reincarnating with their character entails inheriting being locked within the walls as well. Overall it's stupid.

On top of that, it's painfully tedious if you ever want to modify the shape in any way. For players who do not know the system inside out and who do not know how to meticulously plan their hermitage or village, you will need to modify your walls. Making additions for extra farm land or decreasing land claimed as friends quit/move away means investing large amounts of time to tear down and reconstruct anything, especially if you have a brickwall. Painful tedium is never a good mechanic.

The only people potentially hurt by this are those with palisades but who have opted to not make a claim (is anyone this stupid?) and non-villages who have been absorbed by villages large enough to declaim their claim (but they were already done for so this hardly qualifies as a detracting reason.)

[M_So]

I like the idea but I do not think it should lower the soak value in any way, only make them take less time to destroy/use less stamina.

[Grable]

The idea is great but I see a big flaw:

What if someone builds a huge walled area and certain parts aren't claimed (yet)? This means raiders can just build a private claim there and bash the pali/brickwall in no time.

[TeckXKnight]

I like the idea but I do not think it should lower the soak value in any way, only make them take less time to destroy/use less stamina.

The biggest thing I'm pushing for is the reduction of soak, honestly. Anything else would be such a trivial change that no one would notice a difference. Removing the capacity of destroying your walls by hand in this idea essentially renders any benefits it could have conferred absolutely moot.

[jgudge]

I like this idea a lot.

I only have one question. As it stands, palisades and brickwalls require two cornerposts to make a gate, which is a fairly expensive investment for a mid-ranged player. Since this means that you'd be able to much more easily destroy wall segments, wouldn't the cost of investment on a palisade/brickwall be halved, considering you can knock out 3 sections, plop down another cornerpost for 50 brick and 5 wrought (as opposed to 300 brick and 10 wrought) and build a gate? This wouldn't apply to people planning on building a village with a solid wall and no gate obviously, but wouldn't this encourage a huge increase in bw's?

[TeckXKnight]

Yes, this would mean building gates would be cheaper.

The idea is great but I see a big flaw:

What if someone builds a huge walled area and certain parts aren't claimed (yet)? This means raiders can just build a private claim there and bash the pali/brickwall in no time.

Is this even a flaw? You didn't own that land or wall anyway. You own land and force others to use criminal acts once your personal or village claim extend over a tile. Before that, that's just another wall segment waiting to decay.

[SpiderSlave]

I really like this idea

[Grable]

Yes, this would mean building gates would be cheaper.

The idea is great but I see a big flaw:

What if someone builds a huge walled area and certain parts aren't claimed (yet)? This means raiders can just build a private claim there and bash the pali/brickwall in no time.

Is this even a flaw? You didn't own that land or wall anyway. You own land and force others to use criminal acts once your personal or village claim extend over a tile. Before that, that's just another wall segment waiting to decay.

The problem is you would need to claim the whole (huge) area before you even start building a brickwall... and claiming a huge area takes time. I always built brickwall for defense first, then claimed the parts that weren't claimed yet.

[bmjclark]

Would make bubbling a ram impossible. In the games current state this isn't a great idea i don't think simply for that reason (sieging a town is near impossible as is, even with bubbling rams), but when the new siege system comes i think this would be a great idea.

[TeckXKnight]

Would make bubbling a ram impossible. In the games current state this isn't a great idea i don't think simply for that reason (sieging a town is near impossible as is, even with bubbling rams), but when the new siege system comes i think this would be a great idea.

This is a fair point and I hope that reliance on walls around rams isn't much longer lived then.