Whats HnH is all about?

[lordgrunt]

As in title, but i do not mean what are goals or objectives, its sandbox after all.
What i mean, what is the point of actually playing this game. Unless someone seals himself in impassable stonghold, he will get killed at some point.
I don't know how to describe it correctly, but it seems like this game was made intentionally for players that like to wreck other player's hard work. So many options to kill, steal, destroy or block, why? For the sake of realism? How realistic is to go forage for stuff and get killed by someone jumping out of the next bush? Is that what happens when u go for a walk in forest in RL?
Another thing is death. Its not permanent as officially stated. You can inherit previous character. Cool, but the cost of this is insane.
"Griefers", term often used here in this game. Thats bs, what does it have to do with actual grief? Players will kill, loot and destroy your stuff just because they can, just because they spent some lp on correct skills. It has nothing to do with having an argument with other player, term griefer is just and justification for mindless rampages they do. As in, you were griefed, you had to do something wrong, its your fault.
A quote from wiki: "Seal all of your cornerposts and keep the materials to make a battering ram spare to prevent yourself from being sealed in by griefers. This can not be stressed enough." Do you even hear how absurd does it sound?
Probably little of you will agree but thats my opinion, this game should have every PK-related skill removed, better protected against 'griefing' (sealing entrances with hf for example). Maybe then it could develop decent community of respectful and kind players instead of what it has atm.
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Maybe more environment related dangers would help to concentrate players at their own survival rather than "griefing". Add diseases, forest fires, seasons and damn hard to survive winter (as you find in URW), dangerous objects in shallow water (or poisonous fish), add birds or mice that will eat your crops and fruits. Etc.
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PS: obviously, i got killed, thats why i write it. I play now fresh start, just waiting to be killed again. I just love survival aspects and the depth of this game some much.

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

From each death, you need to adjust to the situation that makes you less likely to kill. Even then it is going to be tough as world 6 is a rather hostile world. I would suggest learning how to defend yourself against animals first, to learn the combat system. Prepare your structure defense as mention with a palisade and get armor that allows you to take 0 damage from basic range attacks while progressing to metal armor.

I will not lie; you are fairly likely going to die at some point and you need the emotional fortitude to weather against the shock and depression of it. If you are not able to handle it, then it may be best to find another game as this one may not be suitable for your taste.

[crevank]

Honestly? It's about being put into the woods and becoming whatever the hell you want to be, with hard work, and not being bothered by a higher power that may disapprove of your existence.

You wanna be the most awesome person there is and spread kindness throughout the land? Sure, go for it. You want to kill everything and be a demon to hearthling kind? Sure go for it.

Do whatever you want, why? The same reason anyone plays any video game, you can do what you want without any fear of consequence on something that truly matters, real life.

[lordgrunt]

I was happy to survive first days and get off my crappy island.
I wsa happy to join with friend and build palisade.
I was happy to develop my stats, mine some good shit from cave, build interesting things.
I was happy when i could bake blueberry pies So i happily went on to forage them.
By your words, should i also say that im happy to get killed while doing it? That im happy i can start over and spend weeks to get my stats back? And that im happily waiting to get killed again?
It makes no sense.

[ImAwesome]

just to point out from your first post 'griefer' is someone who causes grief to another, I think you're thinking of an avenger...

as to your last post, do what makes you happy, if you like doing all the other crap: do it. don't like being killed: don't. there are ways to defend yourself, but there are also ways around every defense...so keep preparing and upgrading

back to your original post would this happen in real life? think of 2 groups of cavemen meeting(yes thats the only example that fits this game), no laws no nations no militaries, they meet 1 thinks the other is a danger or competition for food/resources they get rid of them...you're living in the animal kingdom, not polite society.

[Potjeh]

It's supposed to be a PvP game. If you don't like that there's A Tale in the Desert or Minecraft.

[sabinati]

peaceful farming, murdering peaceful farmers

[TeckXKnight]

From my understanding of the game, the point is Survival in the game world while developing yourself socially and economically. The mechanics are not perfect but they are meant to permit social freedoms and as such, everyone will have fairly different experiences in Haven.

It is everyone's right in this game to choose their neighbors, may it be through violence or other means. You don't even need to do anything wrong to justify constituting as a bad neighbor; in a game of resource scarcity there will be conflict and having some means to dealing with this conflict is good, even if this leads to further conflict.

The biggest flaw in logic that seems to permeate your thoughts on the subject seems to be that it will take you as long if not longer to regain your skills and stats as it did the first time. If you've established an economy and a home, you'll actually rebuild yourself relatively quickly. Well, that and your thoughts are reactionary and not actually thought out at all.

[lili]

I was happy to survive first days and get off my crappy island.
I wsa happy to join with friend and build palisade.
I was happy to develop my stats, mine some good shit from cave, build interesting things.
I was happy when i could bake blueberry pies So i happily went on to forage them.
By your words, should i also say that im happy to get killed while doing it? That im happy i can start over and spend weeks to get my stats back? And that im happily waiting to get killed again?
It makes no sense.

I honestly don't understand why people complain about this. If you're careful enough to take basic precautions, you're not "waiting to be killed", you're being proactive enough to ensure that you'll survive an attack should it occur and then getting on with what you have to do. And even then, you should periodically be scanning your surroundings.

I'll admit, I've never been killed, and I've been playing since W3.. . and it's not because of luck or some stupid shit like that. A few days into joining this game, I quickly understood the that you always need to be on your toes or you'll get screwed over--whether by a boar or some asshole, there's always a chance that if you're not alert, you'll wind up dead.

If you haven't picked up on that within a day or two of playing, go someplace else.

[Mopstar]

I think this video will help you out, its pretty much how this game goes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RgN9ij ... plpp_video