Coronavirus

[borka]

Only taking age into account you are practically immune to covid-19 until the age of 40.

The amount of CT scans showing Covid-19 in lungs of younger than 40 i've seen tells me different ...

Please elaborate.

Isn't it self explaining?

If you don't happen to have private contact to persons involved directly in treatment of Covid-19 patients that like to discuss the matter with friends outside their bubble you alway can check for open data CT Thorax scans used to train CNN which are accesible for everyone and contain at least age and gender information ... and if you're truly interested you already know how Covid-19 shows in those scans

Pre-publication Epidemiological Characteristics of 2143 Pediatric Patients With 2019 Coronavirus Disease in China (under 18 yrs)
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/ ... 2.full.pdf

hth

[shubla]

Canada hasn't been hit as badly as they were projecting so far, BC specifically is doing really well compared to other places. People in my town are starting to push the boundaries of social distancing/staying indoors now and a LOT of conspiracy posts are popping up in our local social medias etc...

I feel like if there's a second wave of this over the summer it might be more of a problem if the first wave hadn't really hit people personally

Don't worry, there is plenty of time for it to impact you as well.
There have been some papers where it has been suggested that the immunity won't last long(only a year or so) resulting in major epidemics every 1-2 years until the vaccine is (hopefully) developed.

[Jalpha]

Well I can tell you that the funding programs rolled out by the Australian government (which include payments to employers to retain staff which I think is up to around $1,500AUD per week per employee or something and anyone who lost their job gets expedited access to welfare and double the welfare payments to just over $500AUD per week) will be in place for another five months. It has been stated quite clearly there that some form of social distancing will be in place until September at the earliest. Nobody seems to realise how badly this could go. Some countries will recover sooner than others but the astonishing level of debt which the Australian government is having to absorb right now could become problematic. Anyway my point was yes, this is going to be going on for months.

A vaccine will probably be developed within the next 6-12 months. A few countries are claiming to be getting very close but it is hard to tell how much of what is in the media is advertising. In other words they may be overstating progress to attract additional funding. In any case I stand by the above timeframe which has a lot of wiggle room. For development of the vaccine. It will take longer to mass-produce and distribute it.

[Kamekono]

A vaccine will probably be developed within the next 6-12 months. A few countries are claiming to be getting very close but it is hard to tell how much of what is in the media is advertising. In other words they may be overstating progress to attract additional funding. In any case I stand by the above timeframe which has a lot of wiggle room. For development of the vaccine. It will take longer to mass-produce and distribute it.

You're forgetting one key step to get a vaccine: testing. Once you get a vaccine, you need to find people to test it on, and it will take months before you get reliable results. Only then you can start with production and distribution, which will take ages since you'll need more or less 8 billion doses. That would easily extend the timeline from 1 year to 2-3.

There is also something else to consider: mutation. If we are lucky, the virus won't mutate enough to make the whole work done until today obsolete. If we are very unlucky, it won't just mutate compared to what we have now, but it will keep mutating and fast, making a vaccine virtually impossible to develop in a timely manner.
Right now it's too early to tell, and the mutations seen so far are minor ones, meaning it's not an issue for the vaccine development.

[jordancoles]

I'm not sure how true the stories about those tigers that contracted the virus are, but if the virus is able to jump to felines I can already see a movie being made about that possibility

Corona virus jumping to house cats and then back to humans in a mutated form is box office gold, and real-world terrifying.

Coming this summer...

[Jalpha]

Forget snakes on a plane.

Cats in quarantine.

[shubla]

Some officials in Finland "accidentally" forgot to list "a few" cases of deaths as coronavirus deaths to the statistics.
I am not surprised, I actually predicted that this is going to happen a long time ago.. So typical...
In the coming days the total death count in Finland is going to rise by perhaps 30-50%, no one knows yet.

[Jalpha]

In Australia less people have died from coronavirus than usually die every year from the common flu and the common flu has not been able to spread. It is early yet though. It's not really even flu season there yet.

[MagicManICT]

I'm not sure how true the stories about those tigers that contracted the virus are, but if the virus is able to jump to felines I can already see a movie being made about that possibility

Corona virus jumping to house cats and then back to humans in a mutated form is box office gold, and real-world terrifying.

Tiger King: Covid-19 edition

The word is that the current strain jumped from bats to dogs, isn't it? I forget as it was a few months ago, and so much is out there right now.

There is also something else to consider: mutation.

There's a couple of journal articles out there on this. It's already showing signs of being an issue for future vaccination development. Upside: a new treatment is showing strong promise. I didn't read the article, just caught the headline.

We were discussing the "right to assemble" earlier in the thread, and ran across this article in The Atlantic (unsure if I should call it opinion or something else as it is from a law professor). It's aimed at the US and it's government's legal procedings, but I think it could apply to about any country in the world as long as they don't have specific language saying the "must meet in person." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... source=msn

Also, to go back to a point I had brought up earlier about testing in Iceland, there's a report from Santa Clara County, California that is showing something like 60-80x more people have CV related antibodies than reported cases. Though this may not be not scientific enough to meet rigorous academic standards (they used ad targetting to select test volunteer subjects), it is telling of many potential facts: virulency, death rates, rate of hospitalization, etc.

[shubla]

I have an advice for all of you never move to finland

Government is blaming states.
States are blaming the government.

All government health agencies have different statements on whether masks should be used and they are constantly fighting between each other about what the recommendation should be.


Exactly 1 month ago the government-owned newspaper published an article with the text above. Translation:
"A study published by american researchers on tuesday says,
that the causer of the pandemic, coronavirus SARS-CoV-2
can spread for multiple hours in air in form of aerosol."

"Finnish researcher states that study is not related to the situations of ordinary life.
Biologist Tuomas Aivelo from Helsinki University estimates,
that the result of the study is supported by previous results about the virus."

"- It won't affect the daily life. In everyday life, people cannot get the virus out
of themselves in form of aerosol. The study result is more related to the healthcare,
when certain types of operations are performed, such as intubation. In those cases
there is a possibility for the virus to turn into aerosol form, – Tuomas Aivelo says"


So basically he says that the coronavirus cannot spread in aerosol form in normal situations,
only in some very specific medical situations where this can happen, he claims.

Well, a month passed, and in an article published today:

"Results of the study say, that aerosols carrying the virus can remain
in the air for longer then was thought, and that is why it is important
to avoid public indoor spaces with lots of people.

"The study was done by Aalto-university, Finnish Meteorological Institute,
Technical research center of Finland and University of Helsinki"."

"The researchers modeled a situation, where a person coughs in a hallway,
where the movement is restricted by shelves, typical for grocery stores."

"– If the person infected by the coronavirus walks away, and some other
person comes close to the same place, the extremely small aerosol particles
which contain the coronavirus can end up in the other persons respiratory system,
says Ville Vuorinen, an assistant professor from Aalto University. "

So now they are giving and example of ordinary everyday situation,
and saying that aerosol particles can indeed form when somebody coughs and then infect others.
There may be a possibility that one who wrote the first article just misunderstood what the researcher said,
but anyway. I feel like you cannot really trust them these days.