Coronavirus

[Jalpha]

i thought the point of wearing a face covering is that it can protect others especially during the incubation period?

It is supposed to, however the evidence is that the virus is not transmitted by air unless you emit large particles by coughing, laughing, singing etc. In addition to that my argument is that masks are doing more harm than good for several reasons.
Including but not limited to:
People selling ineffective masks.
Improper mask hygiene (touching masks without washing hands etc.)
Overconfidence in the ability of masks to protect individuals.
The limited effectiveness of masks in comparison to other methods of reducing transmission.

I wear a mask because that is the rule where I am. I follow correct hygiene practices when handling my mask. I rely heavily on social isolation instead of being overconfident in my masks ability to protect myself and others. How many other people do the same? From what I have seen in public spaces everywhere I have been during this pandemic, less than 2/3.

Most cases in Australia right now seem to originate from workplaces and spread within the community from there. Early indications are that masks are not working. They may even be making things worse.

[Zentetsuken]

i thought the point of wearing a face covering is that it can protect others especially during the incubation period?

this is correct, masks are largely used to protect others, which is why it is so important that everybody must wear them.

It is supposed to, however the evidence is that the virus is not transmitted by air unless you emit large particles by coughing, laughing, singing etc. In addition to that my argument is that masks are doing more harm than good for several reasons.

Including but not limited to:
People selling ineffective masks.
Improper mask hygiene (touching masks without washing hands etc.)
Overconfidence in the ability of masks to protect individuals.
The limited effectiveness of masks in comparison to other methods of reducing transmission.

this is 100% untrue, stupid and straight up dangerous misinformation.

There is absolutely no sound evidence that masks are doing harm. Not only is it completely and hilariously false but I have trouble believing that you actually read this somewhere. I think you literally made it up. You are spreading facebook-mom level misinformation that is completely comparable to karen making a screaming scene at a starbucks barista about the new world order, microchipping and oxygen deprivation from mask usage when they refuse to sell her a coffee for not wearing one.

You are without any doubt in anybody's mind the least educated person on the subject in this entire forum yet you are sharing the most opinions about the subject.

Stop it.

[Jalpha]

Citation required.

I'm not surprised that you parrot twitter and facebook posts or misinterpret data. I can't be bothered trying to explain in detail because you have a history of blatant trolling verging on idiocy. If you actually want to be taken seriously start backing up your claims with data. Mine is coming and it does not look good for you and masks. Since masks were made mandatory in Victoria infections have risen even faster.

[Zentetsuken]

correlation does not imply causation

you are wrong and I don't need to waste my time pasting you 100 articles here because you can immediately find them with 1 google search on your own

you are also the only person on this entire forum that requires citations to back up 100 years of basic germology knowledge that has been practiced in hospitals for over a century.

there is no evidence that masks are bad and anybody who says otherwise is not only wrong, but they are a danger to themselves and others

you are dangerous

stop it

[Jalpha]

All right. I will make an attempt at relieving you of your ignorant stupidity. I presume it will be futile however for the sake of the safety of the general public I will make the attempt. Let us begin with the data linked already in this thread and falsely attributed to supporting the case for airborne transmission.

The WHO data on transmission

To date, transmission of SARS-CoV-2 by this type of aerosol route has not been demonstrated; much more research is needed given the possible implications of such route of transmission.
no studies have found viable virus in air samples
However, the detailed investigations of these clusters suggest that droplet and fomite transmission could also explain human-to-human transmission within these clusters. Further, the close contact environments of these clusters may have facilitated transmission from a small number of cases to many other people (e.g., superspreading event), especially if hand hygiene was not performed and masks were not used when physical distancing was not maintained.(43)

You can see here that there is zero hard evidence of airborne transmission and infections can be attributed to other modes of transmission such as failure to maintain social distancing and/or wash hands. Masks are not a substitute for either of these measures.

It is obvious to me that nobody who supports your stance on the topic has spent any time actually reading and interpreting the data for themselves. You are a social media parrot. End of debate?

[Zentetsuken]

what does the uncertainty about airborness have to do with mask?

the tiny excerpt you quoted literally proves you wrong, it says very clearly that despite the uncertainty about airborness, that droplets (the reason for wearing masks) are likely to blame for spreading.

especially if hand hygiene was not performed and masks were not used when physical distancing was not maintained.

They literally say that not wearing masks is part of the reason for spread. It's right there.



did you just skim the very article that you cited?

did you just not understand what droplets meant?

or what airborness means?

or what the intention of masks actually was?

I'm so embarrassed for you.

[Jalpha]

If you can't show me where I supposedly am wrong then you are nothing more than a hypocrite. Don't grasp at straws. The article states other factors can be attributed to the spread. You struggle with reading comprehension it seems.

Masks are not saving anybody. If you care about other people you will wash your hands and stay at home.

There are a lot of selfish and greedy people. I guarantee most people going to work do not need to be there. There are alternatives which people are unwilling to accept and this is doing more harm than anything.

[Zentetsuken]

If you can't show me where I supposedly am wrong

but you didn't even show anybody where you are right

Masks are not saving anybody.

In no way, shape or form does it say this in anything you quoted or linked.
You are just make incredibly personal inferences based on your misunderstandings and tbh probably your neediness for attention.

Having the misfortune of knowing you are well as I do, I am pretty convinced that you actually preach that masks are bad just in attempt to catalyze small social engagements like this because you are unable to find them anywhere else and they fuel your bizarre self sense of ego.

anyways, I'm done feeding your daily social life quota, I've done my good deed for the day.

[Jalpha]

Said the pot to the kettle.

Eight days after masks were made mandatory. It seems to have made things much worse than expected...

[AtoB]

Tests going up too?