Coronavirus

[Zentetsuken]

There is no 'pandemic' in Germany.

I have family in Germany and from what I have heard people are definitely still in pandemic mode. You're stilling getting up to 1000 new cases per day and the general consensus seems to be that there is a crazy amount of underreporting and lack of testing going on there, like only testing people traveling, not testing old folks homes, focusing tests on silly things like football teams.

I didn't actually hear about this mass gathering until you posted it because I'm not really checking german news daily, but I'll be interested to see if there is a spike caused from it for sure.

[AtoB]

I have family in Germany and from what I have heard people are definitely still in pandemic mode.

They are in panic mode.

You're stilling getting up to 1000 new cases per day

Since several weeks we get 0,6% positive results on the tests performed, that is the false positive rate of the PCR-Test. The absolute number of positive tests (misreported as 'infected' or even 'diseased') went up as the absolute number of tests was increased.

and the general consensus seems to be that there is a crazy amount of underreporting and lack of testing going on there, like only testing people traveling, not testing old folks homes, focusing tests on silly things like football teams.

Don't worry, absolute numbers will go up as the amount of tests being performed will be ramped up: they have to get busy to creatie their 'second wave' to keep the narrative alive.

I didn't actually hear about this mass gathering until you posted it because I'm not really checking german news daily,

Happy to have kept you informed of important things happening in the world.

but I'll be interested to see if there is a spike caused from it for sure.

Same here. But I'm quite sure that this will not happen (at least not in positives per amount of tests, absolutes will rise as stated above), else I would not have been there, in the middle of it, in person. But we'll know for sure at 2020-08-15, either many of the protesters will be succumbing by then (because they were wrong) or they will return, bringing all the others that they can then now prove to that we are been lied to, to make sure our current rulers get a trial for crimes against humanity.

Nice video of the march, guy starting at the front of it stops at minute 28 to let the march pass by and film it, gives up more than one hour later to move out of the sun (over 30°C in the shadows that day) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL1Dv9v_fY8

In case you are still unsure if you should believe in the '20k attendants' fantasy main media has reported: feel free to watch these 20k pass by, followed by the many many others our rulers don't want you to know about...

[Jalpha]

It is interesting to me that in the southern hemisphere the flu season is usually in full swing at this time. In the northern hemisphere it is usually well over by now. I do consider it possible that the tests in Australia are picking up colds and flus and not "covid-19". In the case of Australia the concern may now be unwarranted. However the train wreck still has a lot of momentum behind it. The fear is real while the danger may no longer be real.

From the perspective of an elected politician, they are simply going to do what is recommended to them by the experts in the related fields. Politicians don't really think much in my opinion. They are highly social creatures who build networks of connections which feed them information. Then they do what that information tells them to.

This last part is likely to be the same in Germany as well. I strongly doubt the politicians themselves are at fault. They are merely doing as recommended by the "experts".

The situation in the USA is totally different. It is entirely its own mess. From what little I know it seems to be an ongoing issue of corruption, stupidity and plain insanity. They have made few efforts to restrict transmission of the virus (though I would be happy to be corrected on this, I don't follow USA news closely). So, despite whatever else is really going on there I consider it highly likely that the real coronavirus is still there and being readily transmitted.

Your seeming claim that the virus has been eradicated in Germany interests me. If true it would be most peculiar. Are people still dying?

Edit: I am experiencing great difficulty finding data on the specificity of the tests used in Australia.

[MagicManICT]

Edit: I am experiencing great difficulty finding data on the specificity of the tests used in Australia.

It's probably in medical journals you have to pay per article or subscribe to.

The US Center for Disease Control released a new estimate of around 173,000 deaths in the US by the 22nd of August. In the same article I read this in, they had a quote from a former FDA (Food and Drug Administration) doctor stating the US would see in excess of 300,000 deaths by the end of the year if better health controls aren't established.

In the northern hemisphere it is usually well over by now.

Influenza seasonality in the Northern Hemisphere is September through February. We're just now getting ready to start it again in a couple of months. It really is an all year disease, although you don't see much sickness from it in the other months. I'm sure there's some science out there about it.

[AtoB]

It is interesting to me that in the southern hemisphere the flu season is usually in full swing at this time. In the northern hemisphere it is usually well over by now. I do consider it possible that the tests in Australia are picking up colds and flus and not "covid-19". In the case of Australia the concern may now be unwarranted. However the train wreck still has a lot of momentum behind it. The fear is real while the danger may no longer be real.

Here in Germany influenza season officially ended 27. April, as reported by the influenza division of RKI (Robert Koch Instiute, a state department for health)

The situation in the USA is totally different. It is entirely its own mess. From what little I know it seems to be an ongoing issue of corruption, stupidity and plain insanity. They have made few efforts to restrict transmission of the virus (though I would be happy to be corrected on this, I don't follow USA news closely). So, despite whatever else is really going on there I consider it highly likely that the real coronavirus is still there and being readily transmitted.

Problem is statistics, I have no first hand information about the US but I suspect that the numbers are skewed because of greed there (all who handle the body, warm or cold, earn more with a check mark next to covid-19), which seems to work nicely.

Your seeming claim that the virus has been eradicated in Germany interests me. If true it would be most peculiar.

We have an influenza sentinel network here, 700 doctors over the whole country that are representative, they do swabs on every patient coming in the with any symptoms, these swabs are analyzed by the influenza department of RKI for all known components of 'seasonal flu'. The last time SARS-CoV-2 had been detected in these samples was in the 15. week of this year. If this virus would be active in the population as alleged by the corona department of RKI the sentinel network would find it in the samples.

Guess what: they don't.

Are people still dying?

People are always dying. The amount of people dying 'of COVID-19' are 9,226 this year, but as humans have a limited lifespan we have around 80k who die in total every month. So from february 2020 till end of jule we had less than 2% COVID-19 on total deaths. As of the criminal ways corona deaths are counted by the corona department of RKI (everyone that ever had one positive PCR test, regardless of how long ago or how many negative ones they had afterwards, that dies is counted as COVID-19) the real fraction certainly is way less, not to forget that according to the official narrative corona basically cured influenza this year.

There is no pandemic in Germany.

Edit: I am experiencing great difficulty finding data on the specificity of the tests used in Australia.

You need this information to be able to calculate how hard you're being lied to.

In the northern hemisphere it is usually well over by now.

Influenza seasonality in the Northern Hemisphere is September through February.

Influenza north hemisphere is beginning of october to middle of may according to influenza department of RKI.

You might have noticed that I suspect the corona department of RKI to be completely corrupt while I still believe in the influenza department still doing good work.

[Zentetsuken]

There is no pandemic in Germany.

[MagicManICT]

I missed the comment from jalpha earlier, but the situation in the US is mostly from stupidity--same stupidity that seems to be going on in Germany recently (see AtoB's post above)--and other's thinking that basic public hygiene measures are an imposition on personal liberties. There's always corruption in politics. It's hard to have anything without it. You can sat it is contributing to the current issues, but I think it's more the corruption of sensibility rather than corruption of finances or politics.

[Jalpha]

I am inclined to disagree slightly in that I believe that most of us are mere chattel to the 0.1% or whoever. It is what it is. I feel like we are being milked right now. I do not have a problem with this per se. I just wish it was me doing the milking because I have little trust for unknown entities.

When I went to get my hair cut today there were a few conversations going on. There has been at least one large protest in the UK as well now. What was made absolutely apparent to me is that people are scared. Confused and terrified. Anyone with an inquisitive mind can see that the facts do not seem to add up. Nobody can agree on anything. The common folk are divided and turning on one another.

The mindset of the people here is different to that in the Balkans, where everyone just seemed to be shrugging events off as yet another example of the poor people being crushed beneath the boot.

I don't use social media so I have no idea how people online are reacting but if it is anything like what I see out in the real world then it scares me too. People are desperately searching for answers with no clear explanation and a looming fascist dystopia.

An enemy divided must fall and so what I would recommend is that people ride the wave instead of being swamped by it. Whatever is going on it will end. I would prefer if we were not the ones responsible for destroying society in the meantime.

[insanechef]

Meh here in the UK it's pretty chill. some people wear masks and social distance some don't. it's been like since the start of lockdown easing.

[shubla]

So far, basically no one in Finland has been using mask. Maybe few asian immigrants and really old people, but no one else really. Mostly because there haven't been any masks on sale on the store, and there is no recommendation, law or anything to use masks in Finland. And Finnish people like to have laws or at least recommendations before they do anything.

After months of careful RESEARCHING (they say), National Institute for Health and Welfare of Finland is finally thinking about giving a recommendation out for people to use mask in busy public places, like trains and buses. (Even though initially they said that there is no evidence for any benefit from masks)
Interesting thing is, that The Ministry of Social Affairs and Health doesn't recommend masks, and doesn't plan to.

So which one are you supposed to listen to?

And even if one would want to use masks, they still cost a bit more than 1€ a piece in Finland currently, and you would need 2 of them every day only for commute, a large monthly expense for poor people like me. Most of them aren't certified or anything, so there are no guarantees whether or not they will help you or others even if you could afford to buy them

The government has fucked up really badly with the virus, they caused massive economical hardship with their previous restrictions, which people will now pay for quite some time.
They have fucked up with all the equipment purchases as well, how is it possible that even the cheapest and shittiest made-in-china masks still cost more than 1€ a piece from the store, and stock of rubber gloves etc. in stores is basically non-existent. When the pandemic began, there were big titles in news about Finland having large stockpiles of various equipment while other countries didn't have. But then it turned out, that all of our stockpiles ran out in less than a week, and most of the stuff was expired and questionable in quality to begin with. It has now been months, but the government has still failed to set up production lines for any equipment and seems to be struggling on importing them from foreign countries, having to resort in over-priced and bad quality equipment.

I don't understand why they couldn't just set up production lines for all this equipment when the epidemic began. Yeah for sure it may never pay itself back financially, but at least Finland wouldn't have to be dependent on others with these things. And as the epidemic prolongs itself, costs of buying all this over-priced equipment from china and other countries adds up. Perhaps the production line would have been cheaper option...
If we had the production lines, government could just give out free high quality certified masks for the people. In fancy packaging which describes how to actually use them, instead of some chinese packaging that all of the current imported masks have.

Production of meat is heavily subsidized in Finland, why is health of the people via masks and other protective equipment not worth subsidizing?