Coronavirus

[AtoB]

Just about everyone I see with a face covering uses either a basic bandana

Which is fine. You don't need N95 or even medical grade masks. Even a plastic face shield has been shown to be effective enough at blocking the virus (just not as effective as a cloth face mask of some sort).

Good luck with that. But masks at least stop us from seeing all the interesting things that, from wrong usage of masks by the majority of the general population, is being cultivated below them:

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Nice. Doctors and pharma industry will be delighted to make money from treating this.

has it tucked under their nose.

In this case, just don't bother wearing it.

That is what people should do regarding masks anyway (except in cases where they actually make sense, like hospital operation rooms and similar).

Or, in case you really gave up thinking because they managed to make you panic, at least cut the crap and wear FFP3 or better.

Everything else is utter, complete and obvious bullshit.

It should read "Hi! I'm stupid!"

That is the interesting thing with this pandemic: both sides think that the other side is stupid and from this not to be talked to. Before we needed borders between countries for this, to paint the one on the other side of the line in the sand as evil... now they have painted lines between each and all humans, turning everyone else into your enemy with the narrative that anyone can and will infect you with a deadly disease.

A nice demonstration of how to divide and conquer.

[AtoB]

We have masks for everything: protecting you from smoke, paint, mining, pesticides, radioactivity... and the deadliest virus on earth



Why would someone actually believe that masks made out of old socks help against a virus?

[MagicManICT]

I'm going to say this one last time: You wear a mask to protect others from you, not to protect yourself from others. If you feel you need that level of protection, invest in a lab grade rebreather unit. Otherwise, you have not a clue what viruses you're carrying, and the simple act of breathing can spread a virus. Since most people don't remember to follow what other steps are necessary to decrease the spread of a virus, masks are a much easier, safer alternative.

And some people are just susceptible to skin irritants. I've had facial bruises myself from wearing respirators graded for working with toxic allergens.

[AtoB]

I'm going to say this one last time: You wear a mask to protect others from you, not to protect yourself from others. If you feel you need that level of protection, invest in a lab grade rebreather unit. Otherwise, you have not a clue what viruses you're carrying, and the simple act of breathing can spread a virus. Since most people don't remember to follow what other steps are necessary to decrease the spread of a virus, masks are a much easier, safer alternative.

And some people are just susceptible to skin irritants. I've had facial bruises myself from wearing respirators graded for working with toxic allergens.

And I'm going to say it one last time too: The masks the people are made to wear to protect others against a killer virus do jack shit in that regard as they are technically unable to filter aerosols. Wearing them is a sole gesture of submission to authorities.

[MagicManICT]

And I'm going to say it one last time too: The masks the people are made to wear to protect others against a killer virus do jack shit in that regard as they are technically unable to filter aerosols. Wearing them is a sole gesture of submission to authorities.

100+ years of medical science says otherwise. If simple face masks didn't work to prevent the spread of disease, doctors wouldn't wear them in the surgical theater. For most of that century, those face masks weren't much different than what you can make at home right now. Are they perfect? By no means. But they are effective, even if they are not medical grade.

Let me ask you this: Are you the kind of person that refuses to wear a safety belt in a car? It doesn't prevent all loss of life, and in some situations, can be the cause of death in a major collision. Statistics say you probably do wear your lap and shoulder harness, even if not properly. Or are you the type to demand that your safety belt must provide near 100% safety in a collision similar to what professional race car drivers use--5 point seat harness, roll cages, HANS device and helmet--or else it's just "not worth it" to wear it?

Why do you feel a need to rebel against this advice, yet follow health and safety advice on so many other things? I don't know your personal life, but I'm willing to be that I'm right on that assumption. Take a look at it and ask yourself if you're just being stubborn, or if you truly believe science is right about everything else, but wrong here.

[Zentetsuken]

I am truly in awe of the amount of raw, dangerous stupidity in this thread.

After having america in the spotlight for so long you forget that the same levels of mongolodian homeschooled conspiritard facebook echo chamber extremists actually exist in other parts of the world too.

Besides the obvious deadly impact coronavirus has had on the world I feel like it's been a stark reminder to all of us that there are millions of people in this world who are utterly and alarming hazardous to the general public when given the opportunity to have and share their political opinions.

it's been a wild ride folks, very educational

I legitimately want to thank you all, even those who should be muzzled for their own protection


edit: out of pure morbid, dumbfounded curiosity I actually reverse image searched the picture that Atob posted and holy fucking christ.... the dark corners of conspiracy retardville you must have screenshotted that from... I hope everybody does the same and realizes that just in order to have come across this image AT ALL, this kid must be hanging out in the most exclusionary conspiracy oriented echo chambers on the entire internet, either that or he had to absolutely HUNT for this completely sourceless montage of random pictures on some fringe conspiracy twitter account (just as I did) and immediately accept it VERBATIM without question.

it is shared almost exclusively by facebook moms and conspiracy twitters, this is the absolute trash that the most terrifyingly retarded people on this planet eat up like candy

you can reverse image search every individual picture and find out in a real hurry that we have lupus, chickenpox and a poor nurse bruised from wearing full facial PPE for like 20 hour shifts

Every single word you type to this person is an absolute waste of your time.

Atob you have reached new levels of disgraceful

[Jalpha]

Relaaaaaax.

I will set my laptop up in a few more days and post graphs to prove you all wrong.

Bitches love graphs.

[AtoB]

And I'm going to say it one last time too: The masks the people are made to wear to protect others against a killer virus do jack shit in that regard as they are technically unable to filter aerosols. Wearing them is a sole gesture of submission to authorities.

100+ years of medical science says otherwise. If simple face masks didn't work to prevent the spread of disease, doctors wouldn't wear them in the surgical theater. For most of that century, those face masks weren't much different than what you can make at home right now. Are they perfect? By no means. But they are effective, even if they are not medical grade.

I completely agree with you that in scenarios like a surgical theater there is a measurable effect for masks used by trained professionals, but I completely disagree with you on attaching a positive effect on them being mandated onto the general population in corona theater (pun intended).

I'll ignore your lame attempt on an ad hominem. Over the years I came to know you a bit (though certainly only through what you wrote in the forum) and I'm stunned to see that you seem to have suddenly lost the ability of critical thinking (that you had demonstrated repeatedly, for years) when it comes to the corona narrative.

Take a look at it and ask yourself if you're just being stubborn, or if you truly believe science is right about everything else, but wrong here.

I kindly ask you to ask yourself the exact same question.

And in an attempt to find some truth in things... let's do some science, shall we?
Let's start with some plots by Robert Koch Institute (government authority on infectious diseases), from their pulmonary sentinel that is regarded as representative for the german population. This is official data, measured, verified, undisputed and free of any speculation:

2018/2019

2019/2020


Please explain to me how rhinovirus infections can multiply, about twice of last years magnitude, with people now wearing masks as mandated and many even wearing them not only in areas where use of them is mandated but all the time (even outside when alone)?


With this question kept in mind, let's look at what has happened in the hospitals here in Germany:


To make it easier for you here the translation:
Dark orange is COVID-19 cases in hospital treatment, light orange is COVID-19 cases in ICU treatment.

Yellow text top-right reads 'effect of the individual measures gets visible 14 days later', as of this the dates for the marked points in the chart have been moved to the right to reflect the average timespan between infection and hospitalization.
The steep ramp up at the beginning isn't stemming from exponential growth but is simply from ramping up the PCR testing.

As notable events we had (I added some that have not been marked in the chart):

• Start of 2020-03: some events get canceled. Difficult to measure because of lack of data.
• 2020-03-13: Peak of infections in Germany (though this information took some weeks to surface)
• 2020-03-18: Government asks population to wash hands, cough into armpit instead of hands, keep some distance to others and avoid unneeded contacts. This very likely has been the measure with the highest effect as people upped their personal hygiene - mainly through following a simple but obvious idea a certain Ignaz Semmelweis came up with (around 150 years ago) a bit more often: wash your hands.
• 2020-03-23: Lockdown. Outlets for food, fuel, healthcare, banks and public transport stay open unchanged. Likely unwarranted (hence: unconstitutional) as the downward trend had already been initiated.
• The following peak solely consists of patients being 'imported' from other EU countries to relief their hospitals.
• 2020-04-09: German chancellor Merkel settles onto 'epidemic will only end with the general availability of a vaxine' narrative. People begin to question the official narrative, Querdenken-711 forms as a protest group in Stuttgart.
• 2020-04-17: Querdenken-711 successfully sued the local authorities up to the Bundesverfassungsgericht (= german surpreme court) which ruled that demonstrations can not simply be forbidden 'because corona'. Demonstrations against the way corona is handled, which had been denied by authorities up till now 'because people would get infected and die', start to happen in Stuttgart on a weekly basis. No observable COVID-19 effects.
• 2020-04-26: Robert Koch Institute declares the seasonal influenza season 2019/2020 as ended. No SARS-CoV-2 has been detected in the pulmonary sentinel ever since.
• 2020-04-27: Masks get mandated county-wide in closed public places (shops etc.) and public transport. Around the same time barriers get installed at counters, in busses, whatnot. No observable COVID-19 effect.
• 2020-06-06: Black lives matter demonstrations, several cities with 15-20K participants, massive non-compliance regarding masks and keeping distance. No observable COVID-19 effect.
• Around 2020-06-15: schools and child care facilities reopen. No observable COVID-19 effect.
• 2020-06-18: Mass 'outbreak' in one of our biggest meat plants, over 1500 'infected' (all working the the slaughtering section). No observable COVID-19 effect.
• 2020-08-01: Querdenken-711 organizes the 'Festival of peace, end of the pandemic' Demonstration in Berlin, Between 20k and 500k (depending on who you ask) people who disbelieve the official narrative and oppose the measures taken as unwarranted (and of this: unconstitutional) gathered, nearly complete non-compliance regarding masks and keeping distance. No observable COVID-19 effect.

Is that science enough for you to grasp that there is reasoning behind the conclusion that masks, in the form they have been imposed onto people and for the alleged purpose of protection against SARS-CoV-2, are useless? That people with this perspective might have thought about it, opposed to your suspicion of them having jumped to conclusions because they are stupid?

Please keep in mind that I argue based on data from and events in Germany, a country that had skipped certain things others countries did to massively up their local death count, among others:

• Reducing the capacity of the hospital system to be on the brink of being overwhelmed by normal seasonal flu on a regular basis, leading to hospitals being overwhelmed.
• Moving people with active pulmonary diseases out of hospitals into elder care facilities to infect the ones there.
• Paying absurd amounts to health care institutions and funeral homes for the checkmark in the 'COVID-19' square.
• Paying even more to health care providers that for COVID-19 patients that get intubated and ventilated (likely to death: ventilating someone with a pulmonary infection, especially in combination to immune system suppressants, has a high chance to be fatal).
• Pushing stuff like hydroxychloroquin to be taken by the handful as a preventive measure, not only exceeding safe doses but possibly also ignoring counter-indications like flavism - likely killing plenty.
• ...

[Zentetsuken]

reminder: do NOT waste time arguing with atob
allow him to use this space as a personal conspiracy blog and ignore

he cherry picks data that he exclusively hunts for from fringe conspiracy sources and presents them as science
he is delusional and lacks the capacity for the basic understanding of logic and reason

[jordancoles]

AtoB is why Americans will be an endangered species 70 years from now