Coronavirus

[telum12]

Well yea it sure may have some, but I meant that people reporting themselves "tired" and such are likely just imagining their illness, if nothing can be found from their brains when scanned. (and majority of these long covid things were such cases)

So if a person who has a mental illness has constant fatigue and other symptoms not detectible by any scan doesn't have an illness? Hmm... interesting theory, doctor.

Well yes, that person has illness, kind of like people who are allergic to electricity. So not a "real" illness I'd say, but a fake one, and then they refuse to accept that its fake one and insist that its caused by covid/electricity whatever. Even though doctors are unable to find any link.

If you looked at the paper I referenced, "Long-term microstructure and cerebral blood flow changes in patients recovered from COVID-19 without neurological manifestations," you will find that there were statistically significant for changes in the brain when comparing mild and severe cases of COVID. There were results from MRIs.

You say that "nothing can be found from their brains [...] [and] majority of these long covid things were such cases." Can you link to the studies and/or sources that you're basing this claim on? Honestly, I'd rather believe the papers I read where changes in the brain were observed due to covid, and therefore believe that neurological issues could develop from covid, that believe your unsourced claims...

[shubla]

significant for changes in the brain when comparing mild and severe cases of COVID.

Yea and in this paper mild cases == cases that did not require ICU, but those that required "only" hospitalization instead. Which I would still call pretty severe, as very few people actually have to even go to the hospital because of the disease.

You say that "nothing can be found from their brains [...] [and] majority of these long covid things were such cases." Can you link to the studies and/or sources that you're basing this claim on? Honestly, I'd rather believe the papers I read where changes in the brain were observed due to covid, and therefore believe that neurological issues could develop from covid, that believe your unsourced claims...

Well I didn't read any specific papers, but in Finland there are some magazines aimed for doctors, ran by doctors association of a kind. And on there was this review article (in Finnish) discussing about this long covid and how patients should perhaps be treated.
https://www.laakarilehti.fi/tieteessa/katsausartikkeli/covid-19-n-jalkioireet-seka-hermosto-ja-keuhkokomplikaatiot/?public=38057acc03bc71dd044a5eabb5fe04f9&fbclid=IwAR2f_BJQW4TalHCZKoMOnzWw6_ESfdC3xryIZ73DF3O8EGnKr6lJ_Sklfyw
There seem to be some citations as well, if you want to take glance at them.

[Jalpha]

So it looks like we are fighting the common cold but who knows yet if we are winning. Vaccine tech is breaking new boundaries. I wouldn't have been vaccinated if I'd had the choice but now I suddenly feel like recruiting everybody to the vax team. I can't explain why.

My ant-boomer rhetoric and the groomers from this site have been getting me followed (must be a slow period). I've had to tone it down. What I've learned is that secret intelligence knows more than you could ever imagine and they are pretty wise (and difficult to escape). Everybody else is properly foolish. I digress.

I'm fairly certain that I've been infected by covid multiple times. My overall health has never been better before in my life. Health issues I have were with me pre-pandemic. I do not think there is anything wrong with accepting vaccination but do your research. The vaccines have been rushed. Many don't need them but should take them anyway. Like I said, pretty sure we are fighting the common cold.

Social controls are getting tighter. I have noticed increasing hostility toward travellers within the EU from outside the EU. I don't like the direction this is heading. I think it should be obvious what we will face next.

Anyway if I can I will read through some posts later and actually participate in the conversation for a bit.

[telum12]

stuff

Thanks for posting the article, sources makes discussing so much easier!

It's a bit hard for me to read the article because I have to translate the page but I honestly read it at convincing evidence for the existence of long-term covid. They even conclude, "COVID-19 aftermath is a challenging concept because it is likely to consist of a wide variety of phenomena, from organ damage following pneumonia or thrombosis to a difficult-to-perceive, functionally effective aftermath. It is likely that the aftermath will put a significant strain on health care in the coming years, and the need for treatment must be prepared for."

It does sound to me like they are finding specific, although varied, clusters of symptoms in people after they recover from covid, that could have a long-term impact on their health.

But idk, maybe we just have different thresholds for this type of evidence, and this argument is pointless

[AtoB]

I suggest you spend 40 minute to listen to Microbiologist Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi explaining his view on the situation.

Just because a person was a prominent member of their field in the past doesn't mean they can't ever be wrong. Only the future can tell us whether we are taking the proper actions today. And there a plenty of examples of folks that were prominent in their field for many years suddenly end up on the side of being wrong, incorrect, or otherwise looking like the village idiot. Can anyone say "Municipal DC power supplies?"

Only hole in your argument is that Bhakdi was one of the first to warn about things going wrong, big time, and he's been pretty spot on about basically everything covid.
So in terms of your 'only the future can tell' argument... the future has already turned into the past.

Did some read up on so called "long covid".

Yea. basically we're talking about the symptoms of "long influenza". Nothing new, same as basically everything else covid just effectively being a renamed influenza (and with this I do not refer to Influenza A/B/... but to what had been called 'seasonal influenza' up to december 2019), with (in some localized areas) increased body count being mainly caused by medical experiments on humans (among that: treatment protocols that would work well when being used for an execution).

[Jalpha]

Agendas. Speculation. Corruption. Greed.

Surely balance will be restored with the arrival of something good.

The oligarchies are not going to kill off their entire population of workers and consumers. They are locked in a power struggle and their success or failure is dependant upon access to resources. It is totally obvious that this pandemic has removed people who were unproductive. Efficiency, yes. If you are not productive start getting worried. I am starting to get worried and I am trying very hard to reach peak productivity.

Just get vaccinated but choose well. This isn't going away and I very much suspect it will get worse in coming decades. Down here on Earth with the plebs anyway. It's not even scary yet. Just wait.

[iamahh]

It's time to become a RL sprucecap and play RL haven, Learn the Plant Lore and find a a way to the land, somewhere with phone signal, grown your own animal products, plant all you can, learn the water treatment options, alternative sewage... shit is getting out of hand real fast

[MagicManICT]

Only hole in your argument is that Bhakdi was one of the first to warn about things going wrong, big time, and he's been pretty spot on about basically everything covid.
So in terms of your 'only the future can tell' argument... the future has already turned into the past.

But has he? I've seen a lot of things saying just the opposite. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true. The Pope believed the Earth was the center of the universe when Galileo made his arguments to the Vatican during his herecy trial. The Pope wasn't right.

[AtoB]

The Pope wasn't right.

Maybe that guy is, with what he's presenting?

[telum12]

The Pope wasn't right.

Maybe that guy is, with what he's presenting?

Tl;dw First 10 minutes:

- He thinks covid is not a novel virus because coronaviruses existed before (wut)

- He thinks it’s suspicious that there have been spike protein vaccines made for animals targeting different coronaviruses before (lmao)

- he thinks fauci created SARS because he funded research on the use a non-replicating coronavirus in treatment of AIDS two decades ago

The fuck is this lmao