Coronavirus

[Jalpha]

At this stage I am just wondering how to prevent myself infecting entire train carriages when I cross borders. How many N95 masks is a man supposed to buy. How many stores should he check along the way for replacements. These masks are in short supply and honestly I wouldn't trust any mask without charcoal filtration.

How you wageslaves have endured masks so long without beginning to sharpen your pitchforks amazes me.

There are a lot of problems I see in how virus control is managed. It's different everywhere. It is, however, obvious that certain businesses have a financial interest in the virus spreading. I have found their tactics interesting. I don't think this virus is ever going away.

Then there are the miscreants and degenerates who go through a jacket I stash in a bush or rummage through my bag of dirty clothing while I am in transit and sleeping outside a trainstation for a few hours at 3am. If I was contagious who is really to blame.

After being coughed all over by an airport security officer on a train I am wondering what mode of travel is truly safe anymore. Like I said in the beginning I am still confident in my natural ability to fight off the virus. I don't care if I get sick. I just would really rather prefer not becoming some kind of plague-bringer.

Maybe it's time I built a hazmat suit.

[Regnurr]

Explain to me why I shouldn't make the normative statement that anti-maskers who are more concerned about 'muh freedom' shouldn't just be described as selfish?

Because framing the ones opposing what is done in the name of Corona as 'anti-maskers' is cutting the issue short, by miles?

We don't call mentally disabled people selfish for lacking the awareness needed to care for others because they are hardly able to care for themselves.

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Yeah it's hard to tell whether their beliefs in a delusional conspiracy are a symptom of a schizophrenic episode or not at times, considering that's literally the positive symptom of the disease. I say 'disease' as someone who suffers from schizophrenia and takes the medication for it, so I have insights into how that works. I'm fortunate enough that it seems in remission lately, but it definitely doesn't make life easier.

The thing is, science became partisan over time because liberals and conservatives have had different outcomes academically for many years. Academia that is university graduates have favoured liberals for a long time, the world's intellectuals are liberal and in sociology specifically you will even find socialists. Even in fields like economics that 'rational conservatives' who are 'super concerned over the market's condition' is dominated by liberals, they do not really have a niche of expertise.

This is a global thing almost too, take for example in the UK; when the conservatives realized during the brexit buildup that the intellectuals and experts who knew what would happen were all pro-remainers, they just defaulted to the rhetoric of literally saying "we don't need the experts" this is the equivalent of getting a prognosis from your doctor about an illness and saying to his face on national TV "I don't believe your diagnosis" better yet, it isn't just one doctor, it's a consensus of them. Conservatives aligned themselves with anti-science and anti-facts, because they are working against them. Facts don't care about your feelings after all! But people care about your lies as long as they can't verify them in time for the referendum. And that's exactly what happened in Brexit, arguably, it is what caused Hillary to lose as well, fortunately, not what caused Biden to lose (he didn't).

Think about it, climate change denial is a conservative partisan issue, downplaying the virus has been a partisan issue with Trump trying to say it's no problem or just scapegoating China, people have been ignoring expert rhetoric on the war on drugs for years and the criminal system, Trump shows utter contempt for any expertise other than 'his own' reflecting the narcissistic delusions of his voter base. Anti-maskers have been rallying behind "muh freedom" and of recent, the anti-factual rhetoric of election fraud took off, like it would have and was threatened way back when they prepared for the situation of losing to Hillary. If they lost then, it'd never be just, it'd be because their big brains were just cheated by those crooked liberals.

It's not the player's flaws. It's the game. If you abstracted a conservative to a gamer, they would be a whining scrub who never got good and always thought they were.

[AntiBlitz]

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321649

[AtoB]

Maybe it's time I built a hazmat suit.

Gouvernment supplying these to the general population, accompanied by a helmet that is delivering filtered (thus really virus free, by using a kind of filter that is actually able to remove stuff as small as a virus) air at normal pressure, would have convinced me that we have a medical problem.

Forcing masks that at best (when used perfectly) yield marginal to (when used as practiced by the general population) massively negative health 'benefits' onto people (even children), without ever mandating that TV stations put an education video on how to use these things correctly on repeat for some days, while completely forgetting about the mandatory suitability examinations that any employee has to pass prior to wearing personal protective equipment, and our leaders ignoring the rules they impose onto others... convinced me that we're just being lied to, just on a scale way beyond what we are so far used to as 'normal'.

Now these psychopaths are coming for our children: they want to 'offer' them 'vaccinations' in the schools.

And they decided that the children should decide for themselves, from as young as 14, if they want to be injected with an experimental gene treatment, against a disease that does not affect children, with a result that at best just does not prevent infection (= does not generate immunity), while at worst can trigger sudden death. Children that are too young to buy alcohol, cigarettes, mobile phone contracts, porn... too young to consent to piercings, tattoos, sex or any other kind of medical procedure at all are suddenly old enough to decide if an injection with something for which no long-term experience exists, at all, apart from all the lab animals that stuff had been tested on ending up prematurely dead soon after, could be a good idea?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

This is a crime against humanity, spear headed by the same institution that lead the medical experiments on inmates in the Konzentrationslager of the 3rd Reich.

[jordancoles]

Forcing masks that at best (when used perfectly) yield marginal to (when used as practiced by the general population) massively negative health 'benefits' onto people (even children)

[Regnurr]

Maybe it's time I built a hazmat suit.

Now these psychopaths are coming for our children: they want to 'offer' them 'vaccinations' in the schools.

And they decided that the children should decide for themselves, from as young as 14, if they want to be injected with an experimental gene treatment, against a disease that does not affect children, with a result that at best just does not prevent infection (= does not generate immunity), while at worst can trigger sudden death.

Experimental gene treatment? Is what you are talking about provided in your link because I can't translate it well.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... -work.html

Vaccines today most commonly use antigens to produce immunity, these don't change your DNA really, they're remembered by T-lymphocytes instead.

Newer mRNA vaccines you might 'think' can act like retroviruses. They do not, they don't interact with the cell DNA at all, so there is no risk of causing cell DNA damage and at worst you might think, cancer.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... /mRNA.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMOHWry8EDc

Quick primer on active acquired immunity. Also, some immunity is not reliable until repeated infection, where it becomes more robust. This is why you sometimes want 2 Shots and not one. Idk where you're getting this experimental gene therapy from, but that would either require a homemade retrovirus to do it or the use of experimental CRISPR tech:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 141605.htm

This was used to make pig organs more donor friendly by removing ancient retroviruses that are essentially embedded in some pigs DNA, we also have a bunch of that shit in our own DNA, interestingly enough, and of course we do. You don't go 3.5 billion of years of evolution without acquiring some knicks and knacks along the way on the genome.

edit; considering that it made global news when He Jiankui made the world's first ever genetically engineered babies (who may well be alive and cancer free to this day for all we know), I would have expected anything that changed people's DNA in vivo to make headline news pretty damned quick. It hasn't.

Considering that your claim is relevant to other bullshit that fact checking sites have been picking up on, you might wanna check if whoever taught you that fact is feeding you fake news.

edit2; Not understanding how mRNA vaccines work might be because of a misunderstanding that not all viruses needed to interact with your DNA (like retroviruses e.g aids does). This is because mRNA can by itself hijack the ribosome which is what most viruses ultimately care about. If it hijacks the ribosome, it can mass-produce whatever it needs, typically just more of itself until the host cell explodes or otherwise dies.

Retroviruses are way more nefarious and rightly do scar the DNA for literally generations. Some of those scars are truly ancient.

[AtoB]

Newer mRNA vaccines you might 'think' can act like retroviruses. They do not, they don't interact with the cell DNA at all, so there is no risk of causing cell DNA damage and at worst you might think, cancer.

Your strawman is burning nicely. No idea how you reached DNA modification/damage and cancer, that is far from what I talked about.

My issue is that a government that so far rigorously denied children a free will of their own for basically everything affecting their mind or body (their parents have to decide or, at least, consent) just turned on it's heels and decided that children are suddenly grown up enough to understand the consequences of being subjected to an experimental treatment, for which no long-term studies have completed (as these are currently been performed on the general population), to construct getting a legal consent to experiments on human beings, in an attempt to get around being punished for crimes against humanity.

[BoxingRock]

on behalf of the haven community I would like to extend a genuine and heartfelt apology to jalpha

I don't think any of us knew just how far gone a human could become but now we know, and I think we all realize that you are not as bad as we all thought

[MightySheep]

stuff

I don't know how to break this to you but... you are not smart. You should stop having strong opinions about things, or at least if you do feel strongly about something you should at least take into account the fact that you're incredibly stupid. Just consider it, thats all I'm asking.

[vatas]

I know a guy who wore mask when going to supermarket to ensure good relations with the person running the meat counter. Supposedly this worked and was the reason he got some choice bits instead of random ones.

He is not militantly opposed to masks, just skeptical if they do anything or are worth the effort/waste.