Fostik wrote:You are really lucky to live in Finland, where all human rights are valued equally.
If human rights means that I cannot go to school, I cannot go to gym, I cannot go to museum, I cannot go to theatre, I cannot meet other people non-remotely, then we are living in 1984 definition of the word freedom.
Risk groups are unvaccinated people, fat people, old people, chronically sick people, isolate them not the others.
Instead of human lifes, lost high quality living years should be counted. We can safely say that we lose due to restrictions at least few million of them annually. If some old demented elder dies its of course very sad but not much of value was lost.
The fact is that vaccine does not have many serious side effects, and majority of people in hospitals are unvaccinated, so it seems to do its job as well. What doesn't do its job is the taliban who restricts everyone and all.
Also consider this: do the unvaccinated have the freedom to make lives of other people miserable via stressing hospitals to their limit?
Or do the vaccinated people have rights to not have their lifes ruined by the unvaccinated via spreading of the illness and continuous restrictions on life?
I took some effort to check what kind of measures other countries have done. And in denmark for example the restrictions seem consistent. Universities and schools can stay open, as do recreational places such as gyms and movie theaters. Nightclubs not. Covid passport is mandatory to stay open for most businesses, even for universities! While restaurants are forced to use covid pass and restrict opening times a bit.
In Sweden too, there is only some limitation to capacities of gyms for having 10 sqm for each person and not too much of anything else.
The more I think of the fact that in Finland restaurants have no restrictions or even covid pass, but recreational places have to close down no matter what, I get amused.
Even in health ministry documents many recreational things like gyms are in lowest risk category, while restaurants are not...
just think of what your grandparents and great grandparents had to suffer through during the Great Wars, the flu pandemic of 1919, the Great Depression
I appreciate the efforts and ultimate sacrifices that they had to do to defend our country etc. But its still not an excuse to make dumb decisions as I said. I am not frustrated of covid, I am frustrated of the incompetent people in charge doing dumb decisions.
One issue for sure is also that the restrictions are not equal. If you are typical middle aged person in Finland with your own house, 2 kids, dog, a nice car, wife etc. with lake view from your window. I'm sure that having to spend time in your home for a few years is not so bad. But think of old people who were in the beginning completely separated from all their relatives and denied visitors, and even now they cannot really meet anyone. Or young people who were cancelled of elementary school for months. Or even worse, university students who have not met their peers (other than via unofficial channels of course, but even many of those are cancelled because most people obey most recommendations) in years. Some have even graduated without ever visiting their school in person. And this has had a very bad effect in quality of study. At least in anecdotal level I've heard people holding nearly identical course as in some previous year, but students getting
a lot worse grades and in general having many problems during courses. Also many highschool/primary school level students in interviews say that they just open the remote lecture and then go sleep or watch netflix on their phones. There will be a generation of people who have basically skipped years of school and socializing. Thats also something that I'm a bit worried about regarding the future.
