sabinati wrote:do you expect me to just check the forum constantly, fuck off
MagicManICT wrote:Well, it was the first 70 F day here, and I was just thinking about the veggie garden. This whole mess is a good reason to expand it.
loftar wrote:On the other hand, there's also a case to be made that we're all faggots down here and all deserve to be treated as such and that we all just revel in that anyway.
SumFaggotPlayTester wrote: Even better if you have opossums for opossum pot pie with a nice mushroom and onion sauce.
Burinn wrote:The announcement by the President about an hour ago was wildly disheartening.
NeoRed9 wrote:Burinn wrote:The announcement by the President about an hour ago was wildly disheartening.
I didn't listen to it but I know he made the right decision.
NeoRed9 wrote:http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/07/nero-didnt-fiddle-while-rome-burned/
NeoRed9 wrote:http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/07/nero-didnt-fiddle-while-rome-burned/
NeoRed9 wrote:Yes, irony of disparaging a leader with fake news isn't lost on me.
Article wrote:Nero is painted as an emperor who didn’t care about his people, but it’s likely that he didn’t deserve such a bad reputation.
Wikipedia wrote:Nero's rule is usually associated with tyranny and extravagance.[5][6] Most Roman sources, such as Suetonius and Cassius Dio, offer overwhelmingly negative assessments of his personality and reign; Tacitus claims that the Roman people thought him compulsive and corrupt. Suetonius tells that many Romans believed that the Great Fire of Rome was instigated by Nero to clear the way for his planned palatial complex, the Domus Aurea.[7] According to Tacitus he was said to have seized Christians as scapegoats for the fire and burned them alive, seemingly motivated not by public justice but by personal cruelty.[8] Some modern historians question the reliability of the ancient sources on Nero's tyrannical acts.[9]
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However, Nero's "conduct became far more egregious" after his mother's death.[10]:22 Miriam T. Griffins suggests that Nero's decline began as early as 55 ad with the murder of his stepbrother Britannicus, but also notes that "Nero lost all sense of right and wrong and listened to flattery with total credulity" after Agrippina's death.[24]:84 Griffin points out that Tacitus "makes explicit the significance of Agrippina's removal for Nero's conduct".[24]:84[34]
In 62 ad, Nero's adviser Burrus died.[10] That same year Nero called for the first treason trial of his reign (maiestas trial) against Antistius Sosianus.[24]:53[35] He also executed his rivals Cornelius Sulla and Rubellius Plautus.[13] Jürgen Malitz considers this to be a turning point in Nero's relationship with the Roman Senate. Malitz writes that "Nero abandoned the restraint he had previously shown because he believed a course supporting the Senate promised to be less and less profitable."[13]
After Burrus' death, Nero appointed two new Praetorian Prefects: Faenius Rufus and Ofonius Tigellinus. Politically isolated, Seneca was forced to retire.[30]:26 According to Tacitus, Nero divorced Octavia on grounds of infertility, and banished her.[24]:99[36] After public protests over Octavia's exile, Nero accused her of adultery with Anicetus and she was executed.[24]:99[37]
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Tacitus wrote that some ancient accounts described the fire as an accident, while others had claimed that it was a plot of Nero's. Tacitus is the only surviving source which does not blame Nero for starting the fire; he says he is "unsure." Pliny the Elder, Suetonius and Cassius Dio all wrote that Nero was responsible for the fire.
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According to Suetonius and Cassius Dio, the people of Rome celebrated the death of Nero.[80][81] Tacitus, though, describes a more complicated political environment. Tacitus mentions that Nero's death was welcomed by Senators, nobility and the upper class.[82] The lower-class, slaves, frequenters of the arena and the theater, and "those who were supported by the famous excesses of Nero", on the other hand, were upset with the news.[82]
Wikipedia wrote:Suetonius and Cassius Dio alleged that Nero sang the "Sack of Ilium" in stage costume while the city burned.[52][53] The popular legend that Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned "is at least partly a literary construct of Flavian propaganda [...] which looked askance on the abortive Neronian attempt to rewrite Augustan models of rule."[18]:2
Article wrote:Had it been as widespread as Tacitus claimed, one would think the likes of Plutarch, Epictetus, or other such famed Roman historians who lived through the fire would have mentioned it.
Wikipedia wrote:The history of Nero's reign is problematic in that no historical sources survived that were contemporary with Nero. These first histories, while they still existed, were described as biased and fantastical, either overly critical or praising of Nero.[109] The original sources were also said to contradict on a number of events.[110] Nonetheless, these lost primary sources were the basis of surviving secondary and tertiary histories on Nero written by the next generations of historians.[111] A few of the contemporary historians are known by name. Fabius Rusticus, Cluvius Rufus and Pliny the Elder all wrote condemning histories on Nero that are now lost.[112] There were also pro-Nero histories, but it is unknown who wrote them or for what deeds Nero was praised.[113]
The bulk of what is known of Nero comes from Tacitus, Suetonius and Cassius Dio, who were all of the senatorial class. Tacitus and Suetonius wrote their histories on Nero over fifty years after his death, while Cassius Dio wrote his history over 150 years after Nero's death. These sources contradict one another on a number of events in Nero's life including the death of Claudius, the death of Agrippina, and the Roman fire of 64, but they are consistent in their condemnation of Nero.
Wikipedia on the Great Fire of Rome wrote:The varying historical accounts of the event come from three secondary sources—Cassius Dio, Suetonius and Tacitus. The primary accounts, which possibly included histories written by Fabius Rusticus, Marcus Cluvius Rufus and Pliny the Elder, do not survive.
Article wrote:And, indeed, we see that perhaps it wasn’t that great of a fire from the only other documented first hand account of the scope of the disaster- a letter from Seneca the Younger to Paul the Apostle, where he explicitly stated that only four blocks of insulae were burned (a type of apartment building), along with 132 private houses damaged (about 7% of the private houses in the city and .009% of the insulae). Not anywhere close to as widespread as Tacitus later claimed, though Seneca did say the fire lasted six days, as Tacitus stated.
MagicManICT wrote:So yeah, Nero is in his palace fiddling. Everyone else with a leadership role around the US is trying to cover for his lack of action.
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