I just got bug raided, main dead.

[overtyped]

Well they built a vclaim, and it must have precedence over your pclaim seeing how they didn't get visitor buff here. I wouldn't call this a bug. Just a security flaw on your part. If a village wants to extend their vclaim (or build their own vclaim) to eradicate some personal claim they should be able to.
Like Jorb said

This is not to say that any and all attempts to circumvent the visitor debuff would be considered kosher, but at some point we have to draw a line where mechanical problem ends, and reasonable user error begins.

I took every conceivable precaution here..

You didn't even bother to lock your gates...

I locked my inner picket gate, was it intended that I make several palisades, just incase of wall jump?
Doesn't look like a fuckup on my end.

[higherark]

Well they built a vclaim, and it must have precedence over your pclaim seeing how they didn't get visitor buff here. I wouldn't call this a bug. Just a security flaw on your part. If a village wants to extend their vclaim (or build their own vclaim) to eradicate some personal claim they should be able to.
Like Jorb said

This is not to say that any and all attempts to circumvent the visitor debuff would be considered kosher, but at some point we have to draw a line where mechanical problem ends, and reasonable user error begins.

I took every conceivable precaution here..

You didn't even bother to lock your gates...

So it should be ok to extend a vclaim over to a pclaim, regardless of age, and have it completely bypass the visitor debuff. It should also be used to destroy any offending pclaims, again regardless of age.

Re-read what you said and slap yourself in the face for everyones brain cells that you just killed.

[algeralith]

P-Claim trumps V-Claim. V-Claim may just be a distraction.

[ven]

not the same.
Leaving a charterstone out in the open is retarded. I had no way to avoid this bug raid, unlike you.

It's the same in that it is major destruction caused by a possible bug, and these actions have had mild consequences in the past. Competition was eliminated, and whatever the punishment, it won't bring it back to the same stand. A clever exploiter would know this, and using the bug would still be rewarding for him.

[Amanda44]

Like someone else said in here, I have never trusted the new visitor debuff thing and have never left my gates open and would never leave them open, however it is still a sad state of affairs when those that do apply a game mechanic then get screwed over by it!

If this is another bug abuse issue then really Overtyped should have his char reinstated and his gates unlocked, imo, though I know devs are reluctant to do that kind of thing it does make a difference when players are now paying customers.

The decision yesterday I thought was fair all things considered, I was a bit unsure about the punishment, again I would have rectified the damage to the victims seeing as the fault would obviously lie with me being the developer - in that scenario ofc - and if I felt punishment was due, removed the chars of the abusers. However, I do believe the case against Hogwarts was too muddled to outright call it bug abuse, as I said in that thread.

Anyway, I hope how it was done gets revealed and hope things get resolved satisfactorily.

[Comodo]

Well they built a vclaim, and it must have precedence over your pclaim seeing how they didn't get visitor buff here. I wouldn't call this a bug. Just a security flaw on your part. If a village wants to extend their vclaim (or build their own vclaim) to eradicate some personal claim they should be able to.
Like Jorb said

This is not to say that any and all attempts to circumvent the visitor debuff would be considered kosher, but at some point we have to draw a line where mechanical problem ends, and reasonable user error begins.

I took every conceivable precaution here..

You didn't even bother to lock your gates...

I locked my inner picket gate, was it intended that I make several palisades, just incase of wall jump?
Doesn't look like a fuckup on my end.

You can bash a picket fence with 10 str, how is that secure in any way?
Then if pclaim trumps vlcaim, then I guess that this is a visitor debuff abuse involving the vclaim

Can you show scents at the crime scene? Or can you not see any?

[stya]

Can you show scents at the crime scene? Or can you not see any?

Since his main died, some proper ranging is needed I guess, even if he can see some of them

[Comodo]

So it should be ok to extend a vclaim over to a pclaim, regardless of age, and have it completely bypass the visitor debuff. It should also be used to destroy any offending pclaims, again regardless of age.

Re-read what you said and slap yourself in the face for everyones brain cells that you just killed.

Sorry for the misinformation, as algeralith said pclaim trumps vclaim so this isn't possible with current mechanics, So I guess it shouldn't be changed.

[Keiriku]

Like someone else said in here, I have never trusted the new visitor debuff thing and have never left my gates open and would never leave them open, however it is still a sad state of affairs when those that do apply a game mechanic then get screwed over by it!

If this is another bug abuse issue then really Overtyped should have his char reinstated and his gates unlocked, imo, though I know devs are reluctant to do that kind of thing it does make a difference when players are now paying customers.

The decision yesterday I thought was fair all things considered, I was a bit unsure about the punishment, again I would have rectified the damage to the victims seeing as the fault would obviously lie with me being the developer - in that scenario ofc - and if I felt punishment was due, removed the chars of the abusers. However, I do believe the case against Hogwarts was too muddled to outright call it bug abuse, as I said in that thread.

Anyway, I hope how it was done gets revealed and hope things get resolved satisfactorily.

I totally agree with that, atleast his char should be revived as a part of punishment to the abusers, nullifying their result.

[pedorlee]

I totally agree with that, atleast his char should be revived as a part of punishment to the abusers, nullifying their result.

Rules are the same for all of us, is he special at any point? Other people has died to abusers and has lost all and their chars hasnt been restored. That would be another big mistake
and the worst show of arbitrarity and bad praxis.

I like Bob and his posts, but the law must be the same for all of us.