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Re: Martyrdom for Autonomy

Postby GenghisKhan44 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:19 pm

Ysh wrote:United States American is English speaker.


It was a half-joke. It makes more sense if you grew up in Britain, or America.
For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhninL_G3Fg
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Re: Martyrdom for Autonomy

Postby Grog » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:08 am

GenghisKhan44 wrote:
Ysh wrote:United States American is English speaker.


It was a half-joke. It makes more sense if you grew up in Britain, or America.
For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhninL_G3Fg

This is a delightful video.
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Re: Martyrdom for Autonomy

Postby pedorlee » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:33 am

GenghisKhan44 wrote:
pedorlee wrote:
GenghisKhan44 wrote:Usually I am ashamed of being American. But my rabble-rousing nation has taught me something well: you cannot tolerate dictators.


LOL

Are you aware/ do you know what the Western Hemisphere Institue for Security Cooperations is?

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Actually, yeah, you're right. America was a bunch of blackguards and self-serving rogues even before it became a nation. It completely defeated any purpose for its existence with Shay's Rebellion. What was I thinking? :roll:

Nevertheless, the sentiment remains the same. I guess I shall just have to attribute it to Ireland, Poland, and the Cristeros instead. :mrgreen:


If you know what it is then why are you mixing religion with politics? As a matter of fact christianism doesnt even count in politics when it comes to intrude or interfere with other countries sovereigns. You were talking about your country teaching you something as not tolerating dictators, wich is utterly wrong. Furthermore, any rational person outside your country gets perplexed anytime someone says something like "my country has teached me". Neither countries nor flags teaches a single damn thing: families and teachers does.
Its like watching Independence day or some Usa film with people doing heroic stuff while they assert some patriotich speech. It's cringey.
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Re: Martyrdom for Autonomy

Postby Grog » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:56 am

pedorlee wrote:As a matter of fact christianism doesnt even count in politics when it comes to intrude or interfere with other countries sovereigns.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
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Re: Martyrdom for Autonomy

Postby pedorlee » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:10 am

Grog wrote:
pedorlee wrote:As a matter of fact christianism doesnt even count in politics when it comes to intrude or interfere with other countries sovereigns.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa


Are you telling me your president can do things on his own without the senate or the congress? As an argument its quite weak.
If you think thats the reason behind iraq invasion I recommend you to read a bit more.
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Re: Martyrdom for Autonomy

Postby GenghisKhan44 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:25 pm

Cristeros, man...
Not Christians (although He has His own virtues)...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristero_War
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Re: Martyrdom for Autonomy

Postby GenghisKhan44 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:32 pm

Besides anyone who thinks religion has nothing to do with politics obviously knows nothing even about very recent history. Shintoism and the Emperor, for example.
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Re: Martyrdom for Autonomy

Postby pedorlee » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:17 pm

GenghisKhan44 wrote:Besides anyone who thinks religion has nothing to do with politics obviously knows nothing even about very recent history. Shintoism and the Emperor, for example.


You are right. Luckily nobody has said that.

Thx for the Usa history lesson sir, didnt know a single thing about those events.
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Re: Martyrdom for Autonomy

Postby GenghisKhan44 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:11 am

pedorlee wrote:
GenghisKhan44 wrote:Besides anyone who thinks religion has nothing to do with politics obviously knows nothing even about very recent history. Shintoism and the Emperor, for example.


You are right. Luckily nobody has said that.

Thx for the Usa history lesson sir, didnt know a single thing about those events.

The Cristero War did not happen in the USA. That's Mexico, to the south. Which they say is far more corrupt. :roll:

I misread your post. I reveal very clearly that I am way more American than I want to be. I am all the more ashamed. :oops: That said, I have no idea where the direct idea that somehow America is the "land of the free" came from. I think it's just something Americans believe and say implicitly. We just take it for granted. Would that it were true. But it does seem to be propaganda not unlike Communism. Probably also from the 40s and 50s like Soviet propaganda.
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Re: Martyrdom for Autonomy

Postby Thop » Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:20 pm

Another arkaida member or ally down!

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