Why are people selling troll skulls for sub tokens???

[LadyGoo]

So sub tokens aren't real money trades?

You're obviously trolling, but for the sake of the topic:
Not exactly as they were before, when the devs would not benefit from their own game, while the players were making the cash. Nowadays I do not know people that would sell tokens for real money. So, the situation we have right now is better than it was before. Moreover, I do believe that token sales represent at least one third of dev's earnings from the game, if not half.

Again, if you cannot buy something because you do not want to spend money on the game, blame it on: a) your inability to accumulate something worthy; b) devs not implementing something that would represent interest for high-tier traders; c) devs implementing something essential that is too rare and hard to acquire, so people would to have to buy them for tokens only (example: rock crystals).

RMT Was not such a big thing in legacy.

Haha, you are mistaken. There were cases of people throwing 100-150 dollars per character. Character trades for R.M. were extremely widespread as well.

[Atamzsiktrop]

Again, if you cannot buy something because you do not want to spend money on the game, blame it on:

Without tokens real-money trades will start prospering, like in legacy.

lol, whether you spend money on the game or you buy something in the game for money, doesn't matter.

I don't mind sub-tokens but they're just as bad (in terms of gameplay) as real money trades were in legacy. I'd say even more noticeable and affecting everyone rather than a few people.

You're only defending them because you're getting profits out of them (and your bots). xD

[shubla]

RMT Was not such a big thing in legacy.

Haha, you are mistaken. There were cases of people throwing 100-150 dollars per character. Character trades for R.M. were extremely widespread as well.

I am totally not mistaken.
Character trades maybe, but these days EVERYTHING is rmt. Want to buy some armor for your character? Subtokens.
Want to buy new toolset? Subtokens.
In legacy you bought stuff like this with actual ingame items. These days its very much common to see lot of trade threads with "subtokens only."
Im legacy there was much less rmt. Devs should do something, such as completely remove subtokens.

[Amanda44]

It may or may not be better than in legacy ... I didn't realise the extent of RMT until quite recently ... and it is true that this way at least the devs make something out of it but it is still not acceptable in my eyes.

Believe me I'm often sorely tempted, when I saw your offer sets today for example (LG) but there are two reasons why I don't cave in and just buy them, neither of which is because I don't want them or can't afford them. Firstly they are way overpriced and it's the principle of it, for 4 rock crystals to build a charter stone traders are asking $30!

It's a game, none of these items are real and neither are they then yours for all time, lol, you could have them stolen, the game could be reset at any given time, you may just get fed up playing ... how many times are you going to just throw money away! How many players can afford to keep throwing money away or have parents that aren't going to object at some point in time. It only harms the game in the long run even if short term it appears to boost devs income. At least when you buy a store item they are then yours throughout each world and throughout your time here, they also solely profit the devs and the desires of the purchaser, store items are also a damn sight cheaper in comparison.

It is a fact that by trading with sub-tokens you are paying for other players to benefit both financially and with the bonuses from playing, so profit is not just going towards the devs and the game. If sub-tokens were done away with those players would have to pay themselves to reap those benefits and not rely on the rest of the player base to do it for them. Personally I also don't believe either that some of those sub-tokens aren't then being resold for rl money, I know for a fact they were last world.

Then there is the fact that ppl leave this game constantly because as yet the devs can't come up with the correct formula for long-term play (I'm not saying it's easy) except among a few die hard players who enjoy the design/farmville life and/or the social aspect of belonging to a community and are happy to keep doing that indefinitely ... I'm not convinced that warrants extortionate amounts of money for virtual items in a game with such a low player retention.

I'm not trying to berate the devs or the game, before Jorb comes in and attacks me again, lol, I love this game, over six years in now and I am always happy to support it but I'm not always happy to support it financially now that it's not required when there are mechanics I strongly disagree with, area's of the game it's now really difficult to access without paying unrealistic amounts for, which devs seem happy to allow and I'm not sure who the devs are aiming their decisions at! I'd still buy store items if they were still doing them to show support but I no longer sub any of my chars when I don't know how long each world will last or what direction the game is going in.

[MadNomad]

What.

Last I checked you can not study a sub token for LP?

but do u know what it does at least? gives 30% lp bonus and after a month u have more bonus lp with your own shitty curios than from a troll skull (if u aren't scrub who cant get common curios)

4 sure i will trade sub token which can make me have 1,2 - 1,5 million lp for 0,25 - 0,5 million lp and also lose my convenience or whatever its called
fun fact that i saw such traders type "sold" and i am wondering if they found some fool or just lying xd

So sub tokens aren't real money trades?

they are but the devs don't mind it and like this fact because they get more money for this ofc so i don't think they want to change it
thats good because devs can develop the game but bad because trading is shit with sub tokens

So sub tokens aren't real money trades?

You're obviously trolling, but for the sake of the topic:
Not exactly as they were before, when the devs would not benefit from their own game, while the players were making the cash. Nowadays I do not know people that would sell tokens for real money.

don't run away from the fact that sub tokens are real money

You're only defending them because you're getting profits out of them (and your bots). xD

Firstly trades for sub tokens are way overpriced and it's the principle of it, for 4 rock crystals to build a charter stone traders are asking $30!

yeah, like if we could not simply inspect when they respawn (and rarely kill some scrub if he inspected it and knows when to come too)
i am not rich enought to pay $30 for few clicks

Personally I also don't believe either that some of those sub-tokens aren't then being resold for rl money, I know for a fact they were last world.

Yeah
step 1: buy sub token for ingame goods
step 2: sell for real money cheaper than devs do

I think i found a job xdd (i didn't but some people for sure did)

[LadyGoo]

lol, whether you spend money on the game or you buy something in the game for money, doesn't matter.

It does not matter for you, as a player. But matters a lot for the devs, so they actually could keep developing the game. Funny how you completely ignore in your desperate attempt to troll.

I'd say even more noticeable and affecting everyone rather than a few people.

The only significant way they've been affecting people is when rock crystals were sold only for them. And devs are mostly to blame, since they've made the charterstones mehcanics really bad.

You're only defending them because you're getting profits out of them (and your bots). xD

Bots do not need to be subbed at all. The only characters that need to be subbed are warriors and some crafters.
The main reason I am defending them is that I do not want us to return to the old system where everybody would have to pay, or play 14 hours a week max. If tokens will be withdrawn, devs will have to return to the old system. And I don't like it at all, since we need more population of players actually playing.

Want to buy new toolset? Subtokens

Let me rephrase. Want to buy top tier tools and not pleased by your medium quality ones? Subtokens or work on your quality, build better relationship with factions to get trust and higher quality items. If you really think that factions would sell you the high quality stuff if there were no tokens, you are really wrong there is nothing in the game that have equal value with an exception for troll sculls and high quality bones.

In legacy you bought stuff like this with actual ingame items.

In legacy woulds would last for more than 6 months and people would sell stuff like that because they were overproducing them + no-one would sell you the top of the top. This world hasn't reached even 5 months mark and you expect the traders to sell you armor for 5 edels. Especially with everyone quitting + stat caps. Really, what can you sell to me for an anvil, that you may use to compete with me at the global market?

@Amanda, it is up to you whether to spend the money or not. You guys make it sounds like it is an absolute necessity and your poor little characters will die without that q 190 anvil
Honestly, people approach the issue in an incredibly shallow way by adressing the consequences, not the sourse of the problem.

The thing is, factions are highly self-sufficient and there is nothing a hermit with basic stuff could provide for top tier stuff. Silk like in legacy? I beg you, no-one uses the silk tablecloth and the napkins. And the quality you'll suggest is quite low.
Edels, bluebells, pearls, food like in legacy? At 4 months mark, faction members are stopping grinding their characters, since most of them have reached the stat cap and do not need the curiosities.
You complain about rock crystal being sold for sub tokens? Well, you should be complaining that the devs made them way too rare and required for an essential building like a charter-stone.

[MadNomad]

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sub token expires n hard to get new in time, right? (must be desperate to say that delivery is provided while being richest or one of richest)
trading being shit confirmed

[Atamzsiktrop]

Funny how you desperately want to make me look like I'm trolling in this thread.

By bots I didn't mean they need to be subbed, I meant that everything you sell for tokens was created by bots.

Funny how you try to make W7s trading look shit. It wasn't. And you could easily buy top ql stuff without paying a cent. Real money trading wasn't even noticeable since almost no one bought accounts.

The issues you are addressing also existed in W7 and people used to trade for in-game stuff.

[Amanda44]

@Amanda, it is up to you whether to spend the money or not. You guys make it sounds like it is an absolute necessity and your poor little characters will die without that q 190 anvil

No, I don't, not personally, I live fine with my current 100q anvil set ... ... what I object to I have stated above.

You complain about rock crystal being sold for sub tokens? Well, you should be complaining that the devs made them way too rare and required for an essential building like a charter-stone.

Again, I have, many times, in almost all the threads where rock crystals come up.

[MadNomad]

You complain about rock crystal being sold for sub tokens? Well, you should be complaining that the devs made them way too rare and required for an essential building like a charter-stone.

yeah, like if we could not simply inspect when they respawn (and rarely kill some scrub if he inspected it and knows when to come too)
i am not rich enought to pay $30 for few clicks

but yeah new travel system should be changed to old travel system