Planned downtime: OS upgrade

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Re: Planned downtime: OS upgrade

Postby loftar » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:17 pm

Zluka52 wrote:1) you have some disbalance on sda and sdb, i think from dm-1 (don't split read/write (data) on both disk)

Yes, it's probably balanced towards sda. Since it isn't striped, that's probably its natural inclination. :)

Zluka52 wrote:2) did you test ext4 for this project?

No, because ext4 still has a hard limit on subdirectories which is too small for some of the structures that the server uses.

Zluka52 wrote:3) how many files/dirs with data?

I don't have any exact numbers, but I'd approximate it to about 250,000 directories and some 550,000 files.

Zluka52 wrote:4) on disk data size?

The filesystem holding the game data currently uses 93 GB, but then it also still contains the W5 maps and also a backup copy of every map file (including the W5 ones).

Zluka52 wrote:5) mem on server?
6) in memory server process size?

The server has 12 GB of RAM, whereof the game server normally uses somewhere between 6-8 GB. Usually, around 3-4 GB are free for the block cache.

Zluka52 wrote:7) did you defragment xfs with xfs_fsr?

No. I guess I wouldn't mind trying, but I doubt fragmentation is the issue, since it isn't a matter of the filesystem just performing steadily bad, but rather of sudden spikes in I/O latency. This is also part of the reason why I suspect that log flushing is part of the problem. I was hoping that Linux 3.2 would solve some of that since it uses delayed logging in XFS by default, but alas...
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Re: Planned downtime: OS upgrade

Postby painhertz » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:36 pm

Turn off logging?
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Re: Planned downtime: OS upgrade

Postby Zluka52 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:45 pm

BTW what disk you have? simple SATA? usualy it have about 100-150 iops limit. and you almost near it.

loftar wrote:
Zluka52 wrote:1) you have some disbalance on sda and sdb, i think from dm-1 (don't split read/write (data) on both disk)

Yes, it's probably balanced towards sda. Since it isn't striped, that's probably its natural inclination. :)

Can you host all LVM volumes on softraid device? Since use only one disk, slowdown softraid io.

Zluka52 wrote:2) did you test ext4 for this project?

No, because ext4 still has a hard limit on subdirectories which is too small for some of the structures that the server uses.

Zluka52 wrote:3) how many files/dirs with data?

I don't have any exact numbers, but I'd approximate it to about 250,000 directories and some 550,000 files.

if you use hash tree dir structure, it is not a problem for ext4.

Zluka52 wrote:4) on disk data size?

The filesystem holding the game data currently uses 93 GB, but then it also still contains the W5 maps and also a backup copy of every map file (including the W5 ones).

Zluka52 wrote:5) mem on server?
6) in memory server process size?

The server has 12 GB of RAM, whereof the game server normally uses somewhere between 6-8 GB. Usually, around 3-4 GB are free for the block cache.

For some heavy "write to disk" projects we make copy of all data on ram disk, and make hourly snapshots to hdd. don't know is it possible for you or not, but it realy help us.
We also have spikes with large amount of disk writes, but this was from mysql ACID logic.

Zluka52 wrote:7) did you defragment xfs with xfs_fsr?

No. I guess I wouldn't mind trying, but I doubt fragmentation is the issue, since it isn't a matter of the filesystem just performing steadily bad, but rather of sudden spikes in I/O latency. This is also part of the reason why I suspect that log flushing is part of the problem. I was hoping that Linux 3.2 would solve some of that since it uses delayed logging in XFS by default, but alas...

You got this spike from large number of write to disk nonseq requests. Why not try to defragment fs?
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Re: Planned downtime: OS upgrade

Postby loftar » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:49 pm

Zluka52 wrote:You got this spike from large number of write to disk nonseq requests. Why not try to defragment fs?

Well, the reason not to would be that the I/O required by defragmentation would make the game even less playable, so I'd have to bring it down while it runs for who knows how many hours, for something which may or may not have any effect. :)
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Re: Planned downtime: OS upgrade

Postby Mums » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:52 pm

In its current state it is pretty much unplayable, so I do not think anyone would mind.
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Re: Planned downtime: OS upgrade

Postby stchristopher » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:54 pm

Mums wrote:In its current state it is pretty much unplayable, so I do not think anyone would mind.

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Re: Planned downtime: OS upgrade

Postby Felkin » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:57 pm

stchristopher wrote:
Mums wrote:In its current state it is pretty much unplayable, so I do not think anyone would mind.

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Re: Planned downtime: OS upgrade

Postby Robertzon » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:06 pm

loftar wrote:
Zluka52 wrote:You got this spike from large number of write to disk nonseq requests. Why not try to defragment fs?

Well, the reason not to would be that the I/O required by defragmentation would make the game even less playable, so I'd have to bring it down while it runs for who knows how many hours, for something which may or may not have any effect. :)

There is no effect in playing currently, it's impossible to do anything, take your time and give it a shot, it might fix it. ;)
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Re: Planned downtime: OS upgrade

Postby Sarchi » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:09 pm

I can play without any problems. Lag is almost unnoticeable.


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Re: Planned downtime: OS upgrade

Postby villagegirl » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:10 pm

Hmm, just a thought here, maybe try storing that world 5 data (only keep exactly what you need for this current world) somewhere else. If that's possible, I know money is tight. I was just thinking about how my comp always runs better with more space. Very simple i know im sorry lol, but i just thought i would mention it. Love you guys and thanks for you work! :)
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