Game Development: Villages

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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Lothaudus » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:09 pm

Dataslycer wrote:All of this rage, and not one mention that our beloved soldier swords got turned into q1 scrap ><.

ElGato, page 3; niltrias, page 3; jorb, page 6.

So not one mention, just three. :lol:
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby sabinati » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:25 pm

Russaria wrote:
sabinati wrote:did someone get online before or after loftar changed the numbers on authority? is all this reactionary bullshit based on the original formulas? did you read and comprehend what loftar just posted? let me give you some "data", i have 28 int and 23 cha, so that means i add sqrt(28*23)/10 or 2.5 authority for each base LP that i gain. so if i were to be in a solo village i would need 6000 base LP per day. i think it's "obvious" that 6000 LP per day is pretty reasonable, and that you're "mistake"n in thinking that everyone is going to lose their village.

you'll have to get some LP. it really is not that hard.
are you majoring in theatre at your local community college or something? get real. calm down. stop bitching. make actual critiques and suggestions instead of raging the fuck out at everything.


I got a suggestion for you, kiss my fucking ass you appologetic ass kisser you should feel right at home in the crack. how's that? 6000 base LP? And how much character lp is that at 360% learning ability? STFU with the "base LP" crap trying make it seem less than it really is where actual work is concerned. You try to make it appear as though even IF a player grinded out 6000 character lp for an hour clear cutting (Instead of actually playing the game or doing everyday village maintanence which gives so little LP that hour would actualy be 4 without a break) that they would be fine, but according to the statements that is NOT fine. How much "Base lp" would actually have been added to the authority from 6000 character LP at 360% LA? The truth is, according to the statements, that your character would actually need to grind out 21600 personal LP to have grindined 6000 base lp...so fucking say it like it really is. That's about 3 hours of relaxed clear cutting + stamina breaks per day just to BREAK EVEN (Or maybe 1 1/2 hours of OCD carpal tunnel cutting with tea.). Exactlly how is it that you find that "reasonable" as the new "game". By the fucking time you are finished with that you really don't have the time or ambition to then do all the regular daily tasks you need to do in your village that MAY actually give you some extra "base lp" to your authority. That's the fucking point, the game is nothing but grinding lp now to keep a village up and casual players will have nothing else to do but keep on top of the authority grind. They can't map, or socialize, or decorate or silk make, or walkabout or anything else because the tiny lp it produces just will not cover the constant drain. It is as I said, nothing but a orgasm for you and the small group of megas. All the casual, small and normal players will now be able to do nothing but authority grind in effort to keep their village idols up between them and their small groups.

Suggestions? Why? It has been clear for fucking MONTHS man that unless a suggestion or critique comes from you and your little buddies like Jackard it NEVER get's anything but pissed on, laughed off, pashawed or ripped to shreads no matter how good, bad, reasonable, or noobish it is. A suggestion would be like Emina said, to find some reasonable way to judge whether or village is active or not...such as time online. But that's too simple, doesn't grief enough, and gives NO benefit to the "shiney medal clique". Which of course renders it useless and not worth the time. Sure if the Learning ability was factored in and character LP was driven straight to the Authroity as is THEN your argument (or appolgetic jargon) would at least have some basis in fact where the attempt to "calm it down" was concerned. But it doesn't because that too is way too simple and wouldn't provide Loftar the joy of smoking another pipe and playing with his pretty calculations to see what new game grief he could add that would both polefuck casual players while giving you and your buds a shit and giggle to cement your positions. Any 2 week noob could see a better way to decay abandoned villages IF that were really the point of this update or excercise which it was NOT! That's where the anger comes from.


i'm glad you could figure out the math there. here's some more math for you: 6000 base LP (or 21600 LP at 360% LA) is easily gained by harvesting and replanting 12 5x5 fields. that's just harvesting and replanting LP. if you grind some wheat into flour and then make a batch of bread or whatever baked good you're easily looking at over 1000 base LP for a single 5x5 field of wheat.

or you could go hunting for a couple hours idk it's not that hard to get 21k LP
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Hermit » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:41 pm

Hi devs, can you say, will be map expanded on the east and west in this month?
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Justicar » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:00 pm

Saturday morning: 121,000/250,000
Sunday evening: 104,000/250,000

Yep yep.
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Dataslycer » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:36 pm

121,000
-104,00
17,000 base LP (actually would be less since Just timed it from Saturday monring to sunday evening.).

Let's divided this by the default 4 that was needed before the change minus one for someone that is busy with IRL.
17,000/4=
Base 4,250 LP.

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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Rhiannon » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:47 pm

sabinati wrote:
as i asked earlier... is it completely impossible for you to post without raging out? please make some effort in that direction.


Nope, actually pretty easy, except when faced with self absorbed self assigned angels who swoop in on what they believe are their all-knowing gossamar wings to trumpet bullshit and try to sell it as the next number one hit. Whenever someone lacks the ability to realize that their personal perspective/situation or answer to an issue may work for them, and so puts it forward as a fix-all for everyone with a "nuff said" arrogant smirk (maybe they are blinded a shiney new medal or something) then you know.."Hey this dude is just flying right up his own asshole and can't see anything but his own glorious inner self"...at which point conversation becomes rather MOOT. Even though you are nothing but words of text on this forum page you literaly REEK of self absorbtion and arrogance in your responses and your "so nice kind advice" that you hand out like gospel tracts at a tent revival because only Sabinati can show you the true path to heaven. In light of that kind of "aura" exactly what kind of conversation do YOU expect from the lowly minions who dare not to see your tablets as the holy relics they are, as you decend from your mountain with sage advice from the burning bush! (It was just a heroin trip dude, you ain't really all that).

When a person who loves something, say this game for instance, sees it decending into some cookie cutter grind shit they may indeed have a problem or two. Your advice about 20k+lp comes from somewhere OTHER than regular casual player reality (We are not all obsessive marcoing cheating one track slaves). Silk making, walls/items need to be repaired, leather making, mining, smelting, searching for neighbor villages, out prospecting, trade travel, foraging, digging dirt, making/planting trees, collecting resources (such a water from your found spot 20 minutes away)...ON AND ON AND ON...these are just a few of the many things that give next to NOTHING in lp yet must be done on a regular basis to maintain your area and your projects. WHEN doing everyday tasks has to come AFTER something LP heavy...EVERYDAY...just to maintain an authority which after the update was NOT EVEN FULL...then the game has become the same kind of boring bullshit grind that people leave mmos because of.

Do you get that? Do you perhaps have room and that too full head of yours to grasp that I don't want to NOR have time to harvest every field everyday? That I don't want to clearcut when I don't need to? That I must delegate my time online (as do all citizens) to accomodate their various projects MANY of which provide little to no LP? You think telling me, us, everyone, that "Hey, just spend 2-3 hours of your online time doing extreme lp grinding and THEN do all the stuff you need/want to do for a little extra" EVERY 24 hours is really a "cool fun and no big deal" solution? WTF is it that you do in this game? Because you act as though you sit on some throne somewhere and have no clue at the 100's of things people do for fun in this game...and baby, it ain't sitting on a wheat field everyday for 3 hours. It is when people like you fly in with your sage wisdom and appear as though you haven't a clue what the wide varied players in this game do in their wide varied ideas of fun. And considering who you are and how long you've been here..one can only assume that you DO and just are too damn arrogant or insincere to really give a shit or really discuss or really help. Because the fact is, at the current level of drain, a small causal village trying to have fun and do all the stuff needed to be done cannot keep the village up UNLESS they give up everything but extreme grinding or macroing for the MAJORIY of THEIR online time...that IS NOT FUN and is a direct fuck of casual players in this game. And I'm talking hours at a time players not 20 minutes and you tellin g them "well now, all your time must be spetnt doing these 2 or 3 things everyday just to maintain your village because the rest will not help enough..K..good...bye have funnnnn.

THAT'S where a reflective attitude comes from that you call "Rage" when actually it is just plain old dislike and personal opinion that you're full of q199 shit and not sincere in your discussions...that isn't "rage" or "raging" is plain old anger and the way most people respond where I am from when they "have some asshole throwing bullshit" at them. Maybe you wouldn't do very well down here in the deep south of the USA...lol
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Jaroslav » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:07 pm

For the love of god dude what is wrong with you????

You do realize that villages are not supposed to be run with one dude as it seems you are stating. Its supposed to be a GROUP of people. Which means that one guy can do all those "low lp" tasks and the rest can go hunting or farming or whatever the hell they want.

We have like 5 people on at most and we are at 250k auth and rising, stop bitching already. Villages are not meant to be run by one person, deal with it.
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Rhiannon » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:10 pm

Jaroslav wrote:For the love of god dude what is wrong with you????

You do realize that villages are not supposed to be run with one dude as it seems you are stating. Its supposed to be a GROUP of people. Which means that one guy can do all those "low lp" tasks and the rest can go hunting or farming or whatever the hell they want.

We have like 5 people on at most and we are at 250k auth and rising, stop bitching already. Villages are not meant to be run by one person, deal with it.


I never said they were you piece of drip, nor did I say anywhere that they were NOR that we were a 1 person village. So fuck off if you cannot read.
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby burgingham » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:13 pm

Are you aware of the fact that insulting the guy you are arguing with is not a valid argument? In fact it even weakens your own arguments so much that nobody will be able to tell if there is some truth to the points you are making when you frame them with insults.
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby jorb » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:16 pm

Rhiannon wrote:Maybe you wouldn't do very well down here in the deep south of the USA...lol

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