The Ghost of Christmas Future, II

[Jesus_Smith_Nandez]

(I was going to post this in critique and ideas, but no one really ever goes there so I thought I'd throw it up here)

I have a suggestion for hafen: make the map much smaller. If you think about it, W7 isn't exactly crowded, but it is very big and feels very empty. With the current player base, a much smaller map is very viable. With a smaller map, things like roads and trade routes would be easier to make, landmarks easier to regognize, and walking/boating/riding would be the prime way to get places. Plus, maps might finally be useful... Maybe.

This ties in with my second idea, and the main reason I posted here; I think teleporting willy-nilly should be removed in hafen. While teleporting is an established part of the game, being able to teleport anywhere and trade with anyone from anywhere promotes isolationism. No teleporting, or reduced teleporting (teleporting to your hearthfire is super convinient), would bring trading and traveling to a more realistic standpoint, with distance, delivery, defence, risk and value all being variables, and promote the building of roads/trade routes between established traders and their regulars and villages that trade regularly, as well as between large settlements for convenient travel. It would also add more of a zest to trading, with guards needed to keep the merchandise safe (of course, you could charge more for delivery depending on the distance, or just demand the client comes to you).

A whole new playstyle would open up in the form of drifters who go from place to place on the roads, raiders and thieves who prey on caravans and lone wanderers traveling the roads alike, and caravan guards/mercs (tying in with this, more terrain types and the 3D in haven would promote solo players who can't fight exploring to find different routes between places to avoid big main routes and the troubles they bring). Lastly, it would promote people to build closer together for the benefits trading gives.

The best example of this is Laketown and the area around it in W1, before oath-trading was used

Notice how many communities sprouted around Laketown. Also, notice the roads between them, and leading away from them. This map is like sex to my eyes, and I hope hafen can reach this level of awesome.

With such things as horses, a smaller world, bridges, 3D, more terrain types and maybe a fleshed out road system, the removal of teleportation and the changes it would bring to trading and traveling would only be for the better.

Tl;dr make the map smaller and nerf teleporting

[SilverBull]

(I was going to post this in critique and ideas, but no one really ever goes there so I thought I'd throw it up here)

I have a suggestion for hafen: make the map much smaller. If you think about it, W7 isn't exactly crowded, but it is very big. With the current player base, a much smaller map is very viable. With a smaller map, things like roads and trade routes would be easier to make, landmarks easier to regognize, and walking/boating/riding would be the prime way to get places.

This ties in with my second idea, and the main reason I posted here; I think teleporting willy-nilly should be removed in hafen. While teleporting is an established part of the game, being able to teleport anywhere and trade with anyone from anywhere promotes isolationism. No teleporting, or reduced teleporting, would bring trading and traveling to a more realistic standpoint, with distance, delivery, defence, risk and value all being variables, and promote the building of roads/trade routes between established traders and their regulars and villages that trade regularly, as well as between large settlements for convenient travel. It would also add more of a zest to trading, with guards needed to keep the merchandise safe (of course, you could charge more for delivery depending on the distance, or just demand the client comes to you).

A whole new playstyle would open up in the form of Raiders and thieves who prey on caravans and lone wanderers traveling the roads alike (tying in with this, more terrain types and the 3D in haven would promote solo players who can't fight exploring to find different routes between places to avoid big main routes and the troubles they bring). Lastly, it would promote people to build closer together for the benefits trading gives.

The best example of this is Laketown and the area around it in W1, before oath-trading was used

Notice how many communities sprouted around Laketown. Also, notice the roads between them, and leading away from them. This map is like sex to my eyes, and I hope hafen can reach this level of awesome.

With such things as horses, a smaller world, bridges, 3D, more terrain types and maybe a fleshed out road system, the removal of teleportation and the changes it would bring to trading and traveling would only be for the better.

Tl;dr make the map smaller and nerf teleporting

bump

[Jesus_Smith_Nandez]

Lol I edited it to add stuff and correct mistakes right after you quoted me
Typing that much on a tablet correctly is hard, I'll have edited it 20 times before jorbtar sees it

[SilverBull]

Lol I edited it to add stuff and correct mistakes right after you quoted me
Typing that much on a tablet correctly is hard, I'll have edited it 20 times before jorbtar sees it

lol so as long as the points the same , but seriously, at the end didnt he just jump down from a cliff??? possiable mountain climbing tools???

[krikke93]

Are you, if the game turns out do have quite alot of succes (same or more than current HnH), planning on keeping the game up-to-date, as in add more features as we are playing it?

... duh?

..what

Why is this such a weird thing for me to ask? I mean, it's not obvious developers update their game after release. Some just like a game to be finished, then never touch it again.

[ninja_yodeler]

A really good idea

Provided the map isn't so small that it makes hermitage and isolation totally impossible this would be a really good thing.

It also seems like a good time to point out (going along with the idea's of villages being closer etc etc) Among claim options there ought to be the option to reduce in each direction, not just expand them.

[borka]

-snip- Tl;dr make the map smaller and nerf teleporting

yeah keep this announcements threads cluttered with C&I stuff (that has been posted different times in C&I) so that yours got read but everyone looking for news informations gets a hard time finding it ...

W7 isn't exactly crowded

I'd see it different and i know people that do see it the same for their certain areas - and i watch closely the everyday new spawns or people that move from elsewhere messing up because they don't care what they do at existing doorsteps and then brag at forums about huge claims
...

And if you want to have close "Community areas" why don't you create them yourself? That's what others like Yolan or Robben did and others still do (for example Eem City) - but you're just the "Lone Wanderer" ...

And for nerfing porting: too many stuff is already timeconsuming like hell - i wouldn't want to expand that by having to do all the transporting in the same timeconsuming manner

Provided the map isn't so small that it makes hermitage and isolation totally impossible this would be a really good thing.

Playstyle dictatorship again ?!? ty ... Show me "isolated" people ...

Among claim options there ought to be the option to reduce in each direction, not just expand them.

yes that would be a good option besides being able to attach or overlap with kins claims

[Potjeh]

Maybe not complete removal, but teleporting needs a humongous nerf at least.

[krikke93]

I thought a thread for Hafen suggestions sounded like a good idea (to not blow this thread up): viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38072

[popfor]

Can I jerk to this? I sure as hell can try.