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Re: World 7 incoming

Postby arriel » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:16 am

joojoo1975 wrote:one way is that the curios do not mature when char is offline.

how do we fix the fact a ton of alts just logged in a house? make a new client with AFK built in, and no player ran clients

I can assemble a simple clicker in about 10 minutes. It will run independently of a client, and thus undetectable unless client scans all of the currently running processes. I know for a fact that there are enough people out there who can assemble much more elegant solution, and they`d never share it with you or any newbies in game. Do you get my meaning?
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Re: World 7 incoming

Postby painhertz » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:17 am

crfernald wrote:Please develop a prisoner system so I can capture painhertz and keep him tied up in my basement.

EDIT: Also allow the construction of rape dungeons in addition to or in place of basements.


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Re: World 7 incoming

Postby joojoo1975 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:19 am

arriel wrote:
joojoo1975 wrote:one way is that the curios do not mature when char is offline.

how do we fix the fact a ton of alts just logged in a house? make a new client with AFK built in, and no player ran clients

I can assemble a simple clicker in about 10 minutes. It will run independently of a client, and thus undetectable unless client scans all of the currently running processes. I know for a fact that there are enough people out there who can assemble much more elegant solution, and they`d never share it with you or any newbies in game. Do you get my meaning?

totally. that there has to be a better solution so people cannot just cheat their way through the game. Since your versed in programming or in making clickers, what would you do then?
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Re: World 7 incoming

Postby Ninijutsu » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:21 am

joojoo1975 wrote:
arriel wrote:
joojoo1975 wrote:one way is that the curios do not mature when char is offline.

how do we fix the fact a ton of alts just logged in a house? make a new client with AFK built in, and no player ran clients

I can assemble a simple clicker in about 10 minutes. It will run independently of a client, and thus undetectable unless client scans all of the currently running processes. I know for a fact that there are enough people out there who can assemble much more elegant solution, and they`d never share it with you or any newbies in game. Do you get my meaning?

totally. that there has to be a better solution so people cannot just cheat their way through the game. Since your versed in programming or in making clickers, what would you do then?


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Re: World 7 incoming

Postby arriel » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:34 am

joojoo1975 wrote:totally. that there has to be a better solution so people cannot just cheat their way through the game. Since your versed in programming or in making clickers, what would you do then?

I am not versed in anything, any macroed mouse can do the job come to think about it.
You are wrong in your assumption there is a solution that cannot be cheated. I do not think it is technically possible to achive such solution for two people with practically no funds. The most they can do is social engineering thing (banning obvious offenders, removing achieved stats/items), but they are severely understaffed even for that.
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Re: World 7 incoming

Postby painhertz » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:41 am

arriel wrote:
joojoo1975 wrote:totally. that there has to be a better solution so people cannot just cheat their way through the game. Since your versed in programming or in making clickers, what would you do then?

I am not versed in anything, any macroed mouse can do the job come to think about it.
You are wrong in your assumption there is a solution that cannot be cheated. I do not think it is technically possible to achive such solution for two people with practically no funds. The most they can do is social engineering thing (banning obvious offenders, removing achieved stats/items), but they are severely understaffed even for that.


They wouldn't be if they would trust some of their moderaters to also ingame moderate if nescessarry.
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Re: World 7 incoming

Postby JinxDevona » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:42 am

painhertz wrote:
arriel wrote:
joojoo1975 wrote:totally. that there has to be a better solution so people cannot just cheat their way through the game. Since your versed in programming or in making clickers, what would you do then?

I am not versed in anything, any macroed mouse can do the job come to think about it.
You are wrong in your assumption there is a solution that cannot be cheated. I do not think it is technically possible to achive such solution for two people with practically no funds. The most they can do is social engineering thing (banning obvious offenders, removing achieved stats/items), but they are severely understaffed even for that.


They wouldn't be if they would trust some of their moderaters to also ingame moderate if nescessarry.

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Re: World 7 incoming

Postby panthernos » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:53 am

overtyped wrote:
There is a way to fix it. Make it so you can only log in from one IP, and 1 character per account, sure it will inconvenience some people, but they do that with steam, and it works out great.

One other option, make your account saved to a particular IP, so when you change ips you have to go through email verification, and thats annoying to do. That way IP changers will not want to bother changing ips just to log onto an alt. PROBLEM SOLVED


Do this and I'd quit because my ip changes so much, just how my isp is setup to prevent ddos attacks
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Re: World 7 incoming

Postby Slaya15 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:59 am

painhertz wrote:
arriel wrote:
joojoo1975 wrote:totally. that there has to be a better solution so people cannot just cheat their way through the game. Since your versed in programming or in making clickers, what would you do then?

I am not versed in anything, any macroed mouse can do the job come to think about it.
You are wrong in your assumption there is a solution that cannot be cheated. I do not think it is technically possible to achive such solution for two people with practically no funds. The most they can do is social engineering thing (banning obvious offenders, removing achieved stats/items), but they are severely understaffed even for that.


They wouldn't be if they would trust some of their moderaters to also ingame moderate if nescessarry.


The problem is, moderators are humans too, which means favoritism, gullibility, bias etc, not to mention cheating. Not to mention, every time a moderator did step into the game to squash a bug, they are gonna do things like, reset stats, delete objects etc, and that's gonna piss off a player or two that was abusing the bug, which leads to players biased against the mods, and enacting smear campaigns and other immature bullshit. Even when the devs themselves step in, people whine and cry about every little thing. There is no appeasing the masses.
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Re: World 7 incoming

Postby joojoo1975 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:08 am

Slaya15 wrote:The problem is, moderators are humans too, which means favoritism, gullibility, bias etc, not to mention cheating. Not to mention, every time a moderator did step into the game to squash a bug, they are gonna do things like, reset stats, delete objects etc, and that's gonna piss off a player or two that was abusing the bug, which leads to players biased against the mods, and enacting smear campaigns and other immature bullshit. Even when the devs themselves step in, people whine and cry about every little thing. There is no appeasing the masses.


to have a group of mods(burm, potjeh, tex, borca etc etc) that can nuke obvious exploiters and abusers would be a start. remember the illegal vault thread. if that was the case, make it a vote and the if it passes the mods, then J&L would look into it.

but this all has been discussed time and time again. they don't want the help, I really don't know why though.
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