Game Development: Villages

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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Potjeh » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:56 am

How much do the objects actually drain? Ie do I have to macro looms 6 or 18 hours a day to keep my idol lit?
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Avu » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:06 am

You know loftar so that would probably be a yes.
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby jorb » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:10 am

Compensation work for you guys with updates like these = work = time not spent doing meaningful development. Retconning undesired outcomes = ugly glitches in the matrix that leave scars. Q1 Soldiersword, wtf? We did what we could, but the system needed a rewrite, and we cannot and should not always attempt some sort of "backwards compatibility" with the game, as that will leave the engine code full of nasty hacks to manipulate deprecated object types and god alone knows what. What we really attempted to (successfully, I might add) save here was the village idols.

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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Potjeh » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:15 am

No, I'm fine with all that, but I really don't like what you did with authority gain and drain. The game needs to discourage, not encourage macroing. Filling the authority with items would be non-macroable, more fun and good for trade (this update has pretty much killed linen trade). And it'd let us keep *some* dummy villages, which are practically a necessity in the game as it is now.
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Drowner » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:16 am

jorb wrote:Compensation work for you guys with updates like these = work = time not spent doing meaningful development. Retconning undesired outcomes = ugly glitches in the matrix that leave scars. Q1 Soldiersword, wtf? We did what we could, but the system needed a rewrite, and we cannot and should not always attempt some sort of "backwards compatibility" with the game, as that will leave the engine code full of nasty hacks to manipulate deprecated object types and god alone knows what. What we really attempted to (successfully, I might add) save here was the village idols.

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I don't understand how you saved village idols, as I said we have 3 people online gaining lp and our authority is still declining.
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Postby Jackard » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:16 am

What happens to authority drain when (if?) LP is replaced?
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby jorb » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:19 am

Potjeh wrote:No, I'm fine with all that, but I really don't like what you did with authority gain and drain. The game needs to discourage, not encourage macroing. Filling the authority with items would be non-macroable, more fun and good for trade (this update has pretty much killed linen trade). And it'd let us keep *some* dummy villages, which are practically a necessity in the game as it is now.


Yes, but the long term plan is to integrate village authority with our "intellectual resources" in terms of wyrd, and similar concepts that we're throwing around. For this later purpose of game development, it suits us much better if the mechanics are based on the present LP system, as that is a driving engine that we are going to replace entirely, anyway. It will, from there, be easier to transition, we believe. The new system will, hopefully, be a lot harder to macro.
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby Justicar » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:38 am

So, those numbers on the auth drain...?

We'd need at least 6 flags and 30 statues to cover our entire village. Somehow I've the feeling you've made large towns impossible to maintain, even with a large number of active players...
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby ImpalerWrG » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:44 am

Anyone build this 'strong box' yet? Its very pricey at 3 bronze, 2 Steel. Only way I could see anyone making such a container is it spits out a key and acts as a secure stash for valuables, but then what keeps people from just picking it up and walking away with it? A little more info on what this douse would be nice.
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Re: Game Development: Villages

Postby jorb » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:55 am

The idea has not been to make villages impossible to maintain, quite the opposite. As always, numbers are hard to set initially, but I'm sure we'll find a good balance eventually.
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