Game Development: Ancestral Worship

[jorb]

It's not as simple as just building up for the effect. Finding the items to sacrifice at appropriate quality might be fairly difficult. Gaining NP at a decent rate requires tradition, which takes a lot of time to get.

With Einherjeraspekt you could of course one-shot a bear, but what amount of tradition will you have when doing that? Hopefully some level of it, in which case you won't be receiving high amounts of LP for it.

The effects are intended to be epic. The lembas I am a bit skeptical about myself.

It is intentional that you, from time to time, should benefit from dying.

Is it still permanent death? I hope so.

I am concerned that sacrificing is a bit tedious and repetitative at the moment, so a cooldown on sacrifices might be cool.

Also

We are very unsure about the balance issues on these effects

The intention here has been to, instead of nerfing change, make tradition just as viable. It might be that it's not atm, since these effects can still be used at full change, but it does get a whole lot easier to build up NP if you are traditional. It's a balance issue, but the effects from the higher levels of ancestral worship are, as said, intended to be extremely good.

[Potjeh]

I'm pretty much just playing because I hope that Lembas will be removed. If it isn't, H&H has become just a generic MMO No9001. I've started playing this game because it looked a lot like URW online, and if it keeps moving away from this general feel I doubt it'll be able to hold my interest for much longer.

[farmchamp]

Jorb speaks the truth. I like the idea of making lembdas, they are still rare, but now they can be made!

[sabinati]

I'm pretty much just playing because I hope that Lembas will be removed. If it isn't, H&H has become just a generic MMO No9001. I've started playing this game because it looked a lot like URW online, and if it keeps moving away from this general feel I doubt it'll be able to hold my interest for much longer.

the lembas requires the sacrifice of at least 9-75 items, depending on trad/change

not something that people will be doing a whole lot of, i think.

[Potjeh]

It still doesn't change the fact that it's an instaheal item, which totally kills the atmosphere. They might as well add fireballs and magic wands and call it a day.

Also, 9 item sacrifices are a joke. I sacrificed 3 items in 5 minutes just to see what it looks like when you get a point. I sacrificed a piece of glass, a cut of deer meat and a tin nugget. The ancestors next wanted a freaking apple, but I put that off for later because I don't really need any of the worship stuff ATM.

[Gaiadin]

It still doesn't change the fact that it's an instaheal item, which totally kills the atmosphere. They might as well add fireballs and magic wands and call it a day.

That's just silly.

the lembas requires the sacrifice of at least 9-75 items, depending on trad/change

not something that people will be doing a whole lot of, i think.

A friend was using the system last night. The ancestors can require pretty much anything including a piece of boar meat, a piece of wool, probably even a branch. So sacrificing 9 items could be extremely easy to do depending entirely on luck. On the other hand it could require gold bars, though form what I understand, you have 3 options each time, 2 of which will simply change the requirements, so it seems like even if you get a difficult item on the far left, odds are you will be able to complete at least one of the others, making it even easier to obtain. I'm sure the requirement for lembas will be changed, if the ability to make it isn't removed entirely.

Another problem: I believe it may be possible for the ancestors to require an item that is actually impossible to obtain: milk > Q10, wool > Q10, etc. This isn't confirmed however.

And in the hopes of sounding like a broken record: A decent portion of the player base cannot even experience this entire aspect of the game, and that portion is people who haven't died which seems an extremely odd reason to be penalized...

[sabinati]

well 2 things to consider: the people who can experience this already "paid the price", and the benefits from all these buffs are not anything that i really even care about, if it's something you want, kill yourself.

[Potjeh]

I'm fairly sure that characters who don't have any ancestors will be given newb ancestors. It's completely unfair if they don't.

[NaoWhut]

It's not a penalty, it's just a buff
to the people who have suffered
a heavy loss like dieing. if you
have never died on your account
then you don't really know the
painfull feeling if realizing you
had full change and being confronted
by the choices of : Quiting...Restarting
If you have died then this system
makes the second choice so much
easier than just walking away
sad from a game and grinding
your way back to the point where
you were later.

and it's completely fair, you have
no idea what it feels like to die
if you never have.

[Potjeh]

Death isn't all that bad, TBH, if you're not the type that lives for winning pissing contests.