World 7 incoming

[Mysia]

Die soon and die slowly, please.

[NOOBY93]

Most of you are also missing a key point in assuming that Haven's combat system without movement doesn't require skill. In W3 there was no better fighter than Dataslycer not because of the stats of his character, but because of his extreme knowledge of the combat system. I honestly think standing combat takes much more skill to master than moving. Although being out statted in standing combat makes it a much harder victory than in moving, it still is very possible.

It does take skill, but as I posted somewhere, when both parties are skilled enough, none of them can be better if they know everything about static.
Enter stats grinding.
In movement there's always someone with more reflex and wits than you. That's the charm of it.

[Ninijutsu]

your UA has nothing to do with the amount of damage you do, your strength versus their armor, basicly a 1 UA guy with 3000 strength can ko a guy with 500 UA if he lags

What I'm saying is you would have to invest more time than making a 50 ua alt to kill that kind of person.

[Avu]

Somehow people got it into their mind that without movement combat (aka you move at the wrong time you're dead just because) there is no skill at all in the combat system. You know all those silly stances maneuver and different attacks? You like have to choose which ones to use it's not always just sting and hope to win. You can claim there is a best combo of those and it might be true but that's a balance problem and nobody is stopping you from using movement to mess with the timing but the problem is right now you move at the wrong time you die that's not skill that's easy mode for people with numbers in their names who think they are great.

[karokan]

I logged on just so I can post this.

Don't you guys think that a debate about combat would be more appropriately suited to a different thread so we can actually watch for updates on the new world, rather than having to go through fifty pages of people dramaing at eachother only to see nothing new has been posted?

[joojoo1975]

Well Jorb, ya seeing what we're all seeing?

Severely reduce movement penalty or give a moving hit like 1/2 weight.

The alt menace has killed perma death.(but I guess that's gonna take more time) a Band-Aid fix? make curios only mature when your online(yea a lot of alts will be logged in, but at least they could die if found, but not a real big deterrent)

I have a feeling if you would do something along them lines, your baby would recover.

But what do I know.

[NOOBY93]

Die soon and die slowly, please.

What are you even doing here...? Certainly not making any points in the discussion, and you say I'M the one shitposting?
What a hypocrite

[burgingham]

"I like skill based combat myself."
"If you like skill based games go play DotA"
You're basically telling yourself to play DotA burg

No, I am not. You try to be witty here, but dude...you are really not.


How about that Clausewitz citation? Right? Wrong? Potatos?

What about the whole: "The real skill lies in the interaction that comes before combat"? Nonsense? If so why? Potato salad?


@Topic: This might be highly provocative but maybe the curiosity system is the bigger problem here. Combat too, movement combat needs ot be rmeoved, no doubt...but maybe the non-existance of permadeath led to this whole gun-slinger attitude ruling the game. I know quite a few people want the old xp system back. At first I did not agree with them, but maybe there is some truth to it.

[aikidragon]

This game is based 90% on PvP.

If that's your mentality and you really think that this game should be played only for PvP then you're kind of ruining it imo.
I'm not sure the game was intended to be a pvp grindfest.
Instead of actually coming up with solutions and ideas about making the game a better one, Not sure if Jorb is gonna add content anyway,you guys keep yelling at each other pointlessly

[bitza]

right now you move at the wrong time you die that's not skill

amen brotha