Planned downtime: Account format migration

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Re: Planned downtime: Account format migration

Postby borka » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:34 pm

loftar wrote: Other than that, I can't say I know how to measure cumulative head travel distance or any other relevant measure.


Afaik you can't measure - only thing i know the larger the files to read/write the more they travel ;)

(That's why manufacturers mostly just give an "average" seek time and not specify single data for read seek time, write seek time, track-to-track seek time, and full stroke seek. Each specifies the time it takes for the hard drive to position the head for a particular operation. While most "consumer" HDDs are in the same range anyways.)

loftar wrote:However, it should be said that if the disks were strained by seeking, I'd expect the SMART "Raw Seek Error Rate" attribute to show that by detereorating over time, but the only thing I have observed with the disks over time is merely that they start getting reallocated sectors, which I, for one, interpret rather as a sign of media failure. I've no clue what would cause it, however.


Heat, Vibration, Shock or a refurbished disk where most spare/reserve sectors are allready used and a usual test program won't show any errors - can happen when there was a slight contact of head with platters before "refurbishing"... to be honest i have no clue in how filesystems or corrupt (micromigration) controllers can cause reallocation (as i have maintained mechanical issues only so far)
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Re: Planned downtime: Account format migration

Postby KajetanChrumps » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:41 pm

loftar wrote:The "70% idle" measure was supposed to be an indication that they are seeking far from constantly. Other than that, I can't say I know how to measure cumulative head travel distance or any other relevant measure.

Maybe one of these below, if your disks support them.
240 Head Flying Hours - Time while head is positioning
230 GMR Head Amplitude - Amplitude of "thrashing" (distance of repetitive forward/reverse head motion)
223 Load/Unload Retry Count - Count of times head changes position.
loftar wrote:However, it should be said that if the disks were strained by seeking, I'd expect the SMART "Raw Seek Error Rate" attribute to show that by detereorating over time, but the only thing I have observed with the disks over time is merely that they start getting reallocated sectors, which I, for one, interpret rather as a sign of media failure. I've no clue what would cause it, however.

:?
Wikipedia states that S.M.A.R.T. attributes are not always correlated with failures so take it with a pinch of salt. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.). Mainboard, HDD controller and even cable failures might appear as disk failures. Hopefully the new disks will perform better. If not, try to get completely new hardware.
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Re: Planned downtime: Account format migration

Postby borka » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:13 pm

current version of smartmontools drive database
http://smartmontools.svn.sourceforge.ne ... xt%2Fplain
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Re: Planned downtime: Account format migration

Postby Aokigahara » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:16 pm

And magnetic fields.... magnets! how do they work?
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Re: Planned downtime: Account format migration

Postby borka » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:05 pm

:lol: "All your data belong to us and we are dev|null" probably not causing bad sectors but full wipe... ;)

You might have seen movies where a guy pushed a switch while raiding goverment agents went through his door with seized Computers - big electronical magnet in metal doorframes wipes the disk and makes it worthless even for computer forensic experts...
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Re: Planned downtime: Account format migration

Postby Deathlord » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:16 pm

So... why did the server shut down now?

How long will it take?

edit: server got back up a few secs after i wrote this lol :P
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Re: Planned downtime: Account format migration

Postby Kearn » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:17 pm

shortest downtime ever
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Re: Planned downtime: Account format migration

Postby NOOBY93 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:18 pm

Deathlord wrote:So... why did the server shut down now?

How long will it take?

edit: server got back up a few secs after i wrote this lol :P

Oh. DIdn't see edit when I clicked quote.
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Re: Planned downtime: Account format migration

Postby Hype » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:20 pm

I was about to be like:

"Again? Without being vulgar, are you f**king kidding me?"
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Re: Planned downtime: Account format migration

Postby snoog » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:46 pm

fyi : the recovery password dont work.
say this : Sorry, an unexpected error has occurred. It has been reported, and we will have a look at it. Please accept our utmost apologies for this glitch in the matrix.
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