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Regarding The Forums: Welcome to H&H

Postby jorb » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:11 pm

Hi, welcome to H&H.

We have never spoken before, so allow me to introduce myself. I am Jorb, one half of the dashing developer duo. My partner in crime, loftar, and I are two friends who (do not) study and are (barely) enrolled at two separate universities in Stockholm, Sweden.

Me and loftar have a lot in common, not the least of which is a strong, shared passion for human liberty, economic freedom, the high values in life, honor, freedom, dignity, etc. We are both passionately interested in history, language and the philosophy of human behavior, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxeology, and the history of economics.

H&H is to some extent an ideological project. With this project, we seek to explore the boundaries of how limitless an economic simulator it is possible to build, and how well we believe it can mirror the systems of spontaneous order that we can observe around us in the real world, of human cooperative behavior and trade on the basis of voluntary, mutual gain. To give you a quick snapshot of my sense of life, allow me to quickly just show you some things that I think are cool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Von_Mises
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Aurel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayao_Miyazaki#Films
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo_european
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlene_Dietrich
I am strongly disappointed that the German wikipedia seems to lack a relevant article on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_monarchy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... dependence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_states_constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_washington
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_jefferson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_franklin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_British_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_victoria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Luke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_cash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gummibears
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_link_to_the_past
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_Fortress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_universalis_iii
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_IV (I, II, III and IV)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_empire

I strongly believe that Germany has unsettled borders in the east, in Königsberg, East Prussia, now Kaliningrad Oblast, Russia. That land was stolen from Germany after the second world war. The murderous evils of Adolf Hitler are not reason enough to unjustly take, subjugate, occupy and ethnically cleanse land that has been legitimately German for centuries. German civilians were forcibly located away from land that had been their Urheimat for centuries, and subjected to horrible fates in soviet death camps. This is a terrible injustice that I think should be rectified by the swift return of East Prussia to Germany, and the barbarous blasphemy that is Kaliningrad, be replaced again by a restored Königsberg. Please note that I do not mean this as an insult to the proud Russian people, whose traditions and histories I fundamentally respect, and honor. I also believe that the dismemberment of the German empire after world war one was the original tragedy. The first world war was one of the most horrible tragedies of western civilization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novgorod
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscovy

I must also point out that I think Hitler was a very, bad, bad man. Who I happily would have shot myself, if given the opportunity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_day_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

The terrible historical and varying fates of the Jewish nation in the diaspora was settled in blood in 1948, when Israel first bravely fought for its independence. I firmly stand by her side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmentalism is a scourge upon the earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_and_teller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_runner


I am however directly opposed to the Soviet Union. Had this been on the eve of the Russian revolution, I would have loved to have died by the side of the Romanov family. I do admit that even that has produced some catchy songs, though. And, you know, the KGB are kind of cool, in their own, special, evil little way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Horde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Meiji_Restoration
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C%CE% ... E%AD%CE%B1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2% ... mmonwealth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B6wendenkmal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ottoman_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attaturk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleftherios_Venizelos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... %281571%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Roman_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_German_organ_school
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilhelm_Moberg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilhelm_moberg
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderatern ... upperingar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_spengler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_civilization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_yuga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_buddhism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Dru ... rafficking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibitio ... ted_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_liberalization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... hotography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_den
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_saloon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Hindenburg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_J%C3%BCnger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Treati ... Government
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_carta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Gogol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Earle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_dylan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_pound
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.S._Elliot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_conrad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer_simpson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illiad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Tartt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_verne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_holmes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_allen_poe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_rhodes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Rhodesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_republics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Blood_River
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_bogart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casablanca
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Algeria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_%28A ... vil_War%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_S_Grant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Davies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitting_bull
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka_Zulu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutankhamun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Pyramids
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanging_Gardens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herakleitos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_internet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_pop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_clash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_the_gathering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28game%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_busters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_freedom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dances_with_wolves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterworld
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Postman_%28film%29 (lol)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_des_Willens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downfall_%28film%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Harlock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crete
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilacs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_park
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inglorious_Basterds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goethe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapsburg_empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_roman_empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrations_period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireworks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_britannia
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Wacht_am_Rhein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandalf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_lecter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey

I am not even going to go deeper into music and film, because I could fill up pages.

But, before anything else:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manliness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happiness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambitions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

And, naturally, http://www.havenandhearth.com

And, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan. That guy is just awesome. I should probably mention my girlfriend here as well.

Loftar programs, I do art. We drink lots of tea and talk a lot of bullshit.

Anyway, freedom of speech applies for moderators as well as for others. Sabinati is a great guy once you get to know him. Harsh words must fall off our backs like water off of geese's backs, for we are on a mission here. Let us see the good in people, and try to uplift them, rather than hold them down.

Did you have a question? I don't remember. Welcome to the forums! :D

Consider this my standard reply to everything.
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Re: Regarding The Forums: Welcome to H&H

Postby Potjeh » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:14 pm


So you think that blue collar people are useless parasites, and the university educated people would be better off without farmers and plumbers?
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Re: Regarding The Forums: Welcome to H&H

Postby sabinati » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:18 pm

jorb wrote:Sabinati is a great guy once you get to know him.


a damnable lie, sir
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Re: Regarding The Forums: Welcome to H&H

Postby Garlicman » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:45 pm

Eh, should have named our village Kingsport or Dunwich or even Kadath.
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Re: Regarding The Forums: Welcome to H&H

Postby Ferinex » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:52 pm

jorb wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_day_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

The terrible historical and varying fates of the Jewish nation in the diaspora was settled in blood in 1948, when Israel first bravely fought for its independence. I firmly stand by her side.


You also support the genocide and displacement of the Arab people who were living there when the Jews/Zionists arrived after WWII?
i guess they never miss huh
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Re: Regarding The Forums: Welcome to H&H

Postby jorb » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:53 pm

Ferinex wrote:
jorb wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_day_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

The terrible historical and varying fates of the Jewish nation in the diaspora was settled in blood in 1948, when Israel first bravely fought for its independence. I firmly stand by her side.


You also support the genocide and displacement of the Arab people who were living there when the Jews/Zionists arrived after WWII?


Feel free to make another thread about it.
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Re: Regarding The Forums: Welcome to H&H

Postby Jackard » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:59 pm


I like this film too. The book however is not very good. Which is odd, usually its the other way around isnt it?
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Re: Regarding The Forums: Welcome to H&H

Postby jorb » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:21 am

Potjeh wrote:

So you think that blue collar people are useless parasites, and the university educated people would be better off without farmers and plumbers?


No, and only an intellectually dishonest and openly malicious interpretation of of her work could read that into her work, imho.
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Re: Regarding The Forums: Welcome to H&H

Postby Potjeh » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:28 am

TBH I've never actually read it. Not for the lack of trying, but it was too poorly written to stay focused on.
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Re: Regarding The Forums: Welcome to H&H

Postby Orteil » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:34 am

Okay, I have a question :

will you marry me ?

also omg Astérix
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