Way to go

[SmackMcBacon]

Wow this community is really something!

So true. They´re all very mean, selfish and lack any form of pride, which is quite troublesome indeed.

[azrid]

Wow this community is really something!
This poor guy is at his first game experience here (a game that btw gives you zero informations on how to play it, and with a wiki that is outdated as hell), and all you can do is bash him and tell him how dumb he was?

Then you complain about this game having few players. Not surprised if this is the welcome reserved to newbies. How about trying to teach him and giving some constructive criticism, instead of just laughing at him and calling him a retard?

Its because these noobs dont care to learn if you give them advice.
Last forum crybaby guy talked about how the game has to change not that he has to learn and ignored all advice like a horse with blinders on.

[tyrtix]

there's nothing to learn about pvp in this game: it's factions against the world, and they get all the means to win the battle, including contents only reserved to factions wich are the best in the game.
What the newbs actually learn here is that this game is no place for them to play, and most of the community is okay with the retarded way to play as a freak with agoraphobia.
The real problem in this game, is indeed in his community, and devs still encouraging them instead of beign happy they will go fuck themselves in another place.
Know what? why don't make another server with only pve?
PVP players are so overrated in every game, and even jorb and loftar found that some time ago, but heck, at least if they like to play like that, let them reserve a world for that, and leave the other peaceful players to their playstyle.

[BigCountry]

Wait, there is PvP in this game??

[azrid]

there's nothing to learn about pvp in this game
What the newbs actually learn here is that this game is no place for them to play

Well said.
Noobs don't know what is effective to learn so they get a delusional idea about the game which is amplified by people like you.
They need to learn how to survive not how to fight a group of players as a solo player.
Its always a noob dying in deep water or getting back up after the game tells him u can port back home making these threads and then a few white knights saying how the noobs are right about everything.

[tyrtix]

there's nothing to learn about pvp in this game
What the newbs actually learn here is that this game is no place for them to play

Well said.
Noobs don't know what is effective to learn so they get a delusional idea about the game which is amplified by people like you.
They need to learn how to survive not how to fight a group of players as a solo player.
Its always a noob dying in deep water or getting back up after the game tells him u can port back home making these threads and then a few white knights saying how the noobs are right about everything.

You must still be one of those players that acts like they're 6 years old going around bullying everyone in the kindergarten because he thinks it's fun, then such kids start to not play with him and he gets delusional and do shit things, ending up in prison when he grows, or smashing his head with drugs until he dies.
Tell me: where a noob can "learn what is effective to learn" (supposing this phrase have any meaning at all), and why what they should learn must be what you think is "effective"?
If there's always someone like me who amplify the delusion of those players, there's always someone like you, trying all they can to make other's life as miserable as they can, and enjoying that, so in fact, it's YOU making up the delusional ideas those players have about the game, i'm just telling the truth, and that truth is why after 7 years in this game i still see very few new players coming in and remaining after the bashing they get.
OP is true: way to go.
Devs, get rid of this scum populating your game, believe me, you will earn a LOT more than you loose.

[xdragonlord18]

Devs, get rid of this scum populating your game, believe me, you will earn a LOT more than you loose.

Nobody is going to believe you because you don't know what you're talking about. PVP is more fundamental to Haven than any other mechanic. The game doesn't have a large population because it's an obtuse game in an already niche genre, not because it's hard or because people can kill idiots. Splitting the server into PVP/PVE would be such a disaster; the PVE server would be a grief fest and both worlds would be even more sparsely populated than the world is now. Noobs can learn if they can read, have played games before and aren't idiots. My friend and I started like any other player and now we're comparable to large factions (just at a smaller scale). The idea that the problems noobs face are unavoidable flaws of the game's design is absurd.

[tyrtix]

Devs, get rid of this scum populating your game, believe me, you will earn a LOT more than you loose.

Nobody is going to believe you because you don't know what you're talking about. PVP is more fundamental to Haven than any other mechanic. The game doesn't have a large population because it's an obtuse game in an already niche genre, not because it's hard or because people can kill idiots. Splitting the server into PVP/PVE would be such a disaster; the PVE server would be a grief fest and both worlds would be even more sparsely populated than the world is now. Noobs can learn if they can read, have played games before and aren't idiots. My friend and I started like any other player and now we're comparable to large factions (just at a smaller scale). The idea that the problems noobs face are unavoidable flaws of the game's design is absurd.

I don't know what i'm speaking about, then you proceed with a row of absurdities and opinions based on... nothing.
Great, surely you're right. Btw, why you care at all at what the PVE server will be, but does not say anything about how the PVP server will be?

[xdragonlord18]

Devs, get rid of this scum populating your game, believe me, you will earn a LOT more than you loose.

Nobody is going to believe you because you don't know what you're talking about. PVP is more fundamental to Haven than any other mechanic. The game doesn't have a large population because it's an obtuse game in an already niche genre, not because it's hard or because people can kill idiots. Splitting the server into PVP/PVE would be such a disaster; the PVE server would be a grief fest and both worlds would be even more sparsely populated than the world is now. Noobs can learn if they can read, have played games before and aren't idiots. My friend and I started like any other player and now we're comparable to large factions (just at a smaller scale). The idea that the problems noobs face are unavoidable flaws of the game's design is absurd.

I don't know what i'm speaking about, then you proceed with a row of absurdities and opinions based on... nothing.
Great, surely you're right. Btw, why you care at all at what the PVE server will be, but does not say anything about how the PVP server will be?

Everything here is opinion based but, my opinions can be better defended than yours. I didn't say anything about how the PVP server would be because thats how the game is now, you idiot.

[VDZ]

Know what? why don't make another server with only pve?

Developer Thoughts on PvP. Read it. It answers your question.