Your Personal Stance on Zion/Isreal

[COCKFIST]

So does anyone on this forum have an opinion on Israel? Do you disagree about its creation or do you support genocide and the destruction of a sovereign nation?
I'd also like to hear the opinions on their military strength. Seeing as every single citizen in Israel is required to go through military training and all.

Could it be a plot to take down a global super power? Invasion force? I do wish to hear your opinions.

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These links are of Israeli war crimes and firing on innocent civilians who surrendered, and attacking children. Maybe they will sway opinions or could be used to justify the horrors of Zion.

The death tolls are the tip of the iceberg. When you look at the numbers of people maimed, blinded, crippled, left unable to walk or hear or brain dead, or even the number of people simply hospitalized (going to the hospital is a very dangerous procedure in palestien as its often an occasion for israeli arrests. Virtually the entire21+ male population of Palestine has been arrested at least once, usually without charge and according to Amnesty International being subjected to torture at a rate approaching 100%, including children as young as 12.

All that again is just physical business - the real occupation is all about money and a more sneaky kind of annihilation, so the real pressures are not murder but starvation, economic strangulation and above all daily humiliation. palestinians in gaza in particular are being starved methodically, and not just of food, but of things like fuel, electricity, water, books, computers, internet, anaesthesia, medical supplies, personal hygiene materials, building supplies, etc.
Ultimately this is as much about genocide as the Warsaw Ghetto once was. The goal is seizure of as much of the the land as possible and removal of as many non-Jews as possible. Shooting a lot of Palestinian babies in the head might make the news, but it misses the real story, which is genocide.

White phosphorus is a warcrime btw.

[Nask]

Hmm, each folk has its own good and bad people

Like the war in Gaza, some people attack those palestine people, palestine people throw stones back.

Thats their mistake.... why do they kill each other?

If a Jew/Muslim kills someone, they represent their religion and everyone thinks they are bad... not everyone is bad.
There have been loads of attacks in the U.S. from extremists, not from Al Khaida or whatever, no one needs idiots from another country, each country, religion, culture... whatever has its own idiots.

[COCKFIST]

Hmm, each folk has its own good and bad people

I agree. There are some jewish people who are fully innocent and just regular people. That doesn't justify this. Every adult in Israel has military training. They have a reserve army of nearly half a million.

This isn't about specific people this is about the actions as a whole. How do people tolerate this? War crimes? If someone saw this happening today in say... Germany, people would flip shit and many countries would go to war.
is it because they're jewish that they aren't persecuted? For fear of public disgrace, being called an anti-Semite and whatever else you can think of.

[brohammed]

Discussion on the issue is murky because of the genuine antisemites on the anti-israel side, and the way Israel portrays anyone on the anti-israel side as a hideous nazi bigot, which is not necessarily true.

Both sides have crazy theocrats at the top levels to the detriment of the man in the street.

Israel is a nicer place to live than other places in the middle east.

Of course, a few places in the middle east would be nicer if Israel didn't bomb them to rubble every few years in retaliation for piddling little rocket attacks. Disproportionate response. It would like if the RAF bombed Glasgow in retaliation for the Dunblane massacre.

Lots of countries have national service, there's nothing conspiratorial about it.

[COCKFIST]

Discussion on the issue is murky because of the genuine antisemites on the anti-israel side, and the way Israel portrays anyone on the anti-israel side as a hideous nazi bigot, which is not necessarily true.

Both sides have crazy theocrats at the top levels to the detriment of the man in the street.

Israel is a nicer place to live than other places in the middle east.

Of course, a few places in the middle east would be nicer if Israel didn't bomb them to rubble every few years in retaliation for piddling little rocket attacks. Disproportionate response. It would like if the RAF bombed Glasgow in retaliation for the Dunblane massacre.

Lots of countries have national service, there's nothing conspiratorial about it.

Lots of countries have WMD's, who says they aren't planning to use them?

Isreal attacked a flotilla trying to send aid to Palestine, I hardly see that as ever being justifiable.
This is oppression and genocide, the acts of an organization of rebels trying to fight for their freedom doesn't justify mass murder of entire cities.

I'm not saying it's a zion conspiracy but it isn't right at all. The middle east is a real shit hole BECAUSE of Isreal. I know a man who publicly spreads the truth about Isreal and is daily attacked and recieves death threats for voicing the truth.

[Nask]

Discussion on the issue is murky because of the genuine antisemites on the anti-israel side, and the way Israel portrays anyone on the anti-israel side as a hideous nazi bigot, which is not necessarily true.

Both sides have crazy theocrats at the top levels to the detriment of the man in the street.

Israel is a nicer place to live than other places in the middle east.

Of course, a few places in the middle east would be nicer if Israel didn't bomb them to rubble every few years in retaliation for piddling little rocket attacks. Disproportionate response. It would like if the RAF bombed Glasgow in retaliation for the Dunblane massacre.

Lots of countries have national service, there's nothing conspiratorial about it.

+1....... emirates are nice?

btw, i'm a muslim, it isn't only israel's fault, nor jews, its the people, don't talk about religion, i can kill someone, that doesn't mean all muslims are bad.

[Nask]

Also: soldiers are getting commands, like the attack on the turkish ship (mavi marmara). Israel attacked them. Israeli's didn't want this, it was just the plan of a few man (commander, general, president whatever), no one should be pointed for something they didn't decide.

[COCKFIST]

Also: soldiers are getting commands, like the attack on the turkish ship (mavi marmara). Israel attacked them. Israeli's didn't want this, it was just the plan of a few man (commander, general, president whatever), no one should be pointed for something they didn't decide.

The fact they followed the orders makes them just as bad as the rest.

Soldiers are made to protect a country, not to attack citizens and oppress.
If the US military gave the orders to start gassing entire cities I surely hope the soldiers or whoever took the order wouldn't do it. Their job is to protect.

This isn't defense, this isn't war. It's slaughter.

[dagrimreefah]

From a god thread to an Isreal thread. Nice.

[COCKFIST]

From a god thread to an Isreal thread. Nice.

I see no problem here. People are voicing opinions and it's all completely friendly. No PA's yet and I hope to see it kept that way.