Parents murder kid (discussion on death penalty)

[overtyped]

I was sent this on facebook with all these hics wishing for the death of these two people who murdered their own kid. I had a chat in the comments section and I think my points I brought forth are too sound to argue with, but I would love it if some blood thirsty fool can convince me why murder to help appease the feelings of the people involved is justice.

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I just want to say I didn't like my own comments, I'm not that sad.

[shubla]

I was sent this on facebook with all these hics wishing for the death of these two people who murdered their own kid. I had a chat in the comments section and I think my points I brought forth are too sound to argue with, but I would love it if some blood thirsty fool can convince me why murder to help appease the feelings of the people involved is justice.

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I just want to say I didn't like my own comments, I'm not that sad.

It's not, stupid americans.

[Ninijutsu]

I'm quite interested in their motives. News article link pls?

[overtyped]

I'm quite interested in their motives. News article link pls?

Just google what is written.

[Rhiannon]

"Justice" is the equal or balanced compensation for a loss. You can get "justice" for someone stealing and crashing your car. A few years in prison for the violation of your property and compensation for your financial loss. You cannot place a dollar amount or anything else on a human life. And nothing you get will replace, bring back or equally compensate you for your loss. The death penalty is vengeance... So, while it is true that I do not consider the death penalty "Justice" but instead is "Vengeance". I believe Vengeance has value and can heal and can be "just".

So I want them dead, dead, dead...not because it will compensate (Justice) for that child's life...but because it serves a soothing, healing and just purpose....the satisfaction of vengeance when deserved AND desired by those who can be healed by it.

Those who do not NEED vengeance will not ask for it, nor seek it, nor get anything from it. Those who do, will. And if you have a problem with these 2 animals being used to satisfy that need, or denigrate those whom will find the satisfaction healing or of value...well, that's why we are humans and not penguins. I do not value your LACK of that need anymore or less than those who do have that need. And since these animals forfeit their lives by their actions, at least their death in the service of vengeance serves some purpose to someone besides sapping 50 grand a year to house the beasts.

[NOOBY93]

BURN 'ER ANYWAY!!!!

[Flame]

Remember that humans are animals. Is not a bad or a good thing, is just the truth and the proof that we are part of this world.
And when an animal feels in danger, he attacks and bite.
And if he feels too weak to control the enemy, then the animal can Kill the danger, the enemy.

An enemy is something that you fear. Not every fear are the same.
The standard fear is when you feel scared, you wish to run and you feel trapped. Then you attack.
This is not the case. This fear we see there is the Anger.

The Anger is: "I don't want that other people are in danger. I can't stop the enemy, i don't even know who is my enemy. I feel anger, i hate the enemy and i wish that he disappear! I feel the will to fight, to bite, to delete the danger and save who i love."
The anger is the reaction after the pain and the fear. Knowing that someone died, knowing that it was a child, feeling that you now love that child, makes you anger that he died and you wish to Solve the Problem.
Basically, kill the murderer.

If we weren't animals, we didn't feeled any pain or fear and so, we didn't asked for revenge.
Obv, that's just Revenge, not justice. That's the wrong idea that the evil ones, in the world, are a certain number of people, and if you kill them all then you have fixed the problem.
Obv, that's just an irrational dream, brought to us by our feelings. Is not a rational speaking.

And yeah, kill the murder will be totally useless.
It will grow criminality numbers (because the ones that aren't evil but just desperated, will feel that they are at the dead end. This will turn them into more evil criminals.)
It is expansive in many ways.
It will never heal anyone and if you do a mistake, everything you could give to the society after that mistake, will be lost. The experience of someone that have made wrong and have fixed it. Lost.

And now i'm Hungry. Good lunch.

[amasarac]

To me the death penalty is not a punitive measure. It is a solution. There are things I don't want in my life, I get rid of them. Some things can be put away, some you can leave behind and others you can run off. Some times the most effective method is to destroy the thing. Putting people in prison makes the problem go away (temporarily) and causes confusion about punishment meeting the crime etc. It also costs money.

This isn't about justice, it is about cutting out a cancer. This isn't about vengeance, it is about eliminating a source of (what we consider to be) exceptionally nastiness. Either you want these people to have the chance to torture and kill another child (your child?) or you don't.



We are not just animals Flame. We are pack animals.
When an animal in a pack is considered dangerous to the pack it is either run off on threat of death or killed straight up.

[NOOBY93]

To me the death penalty is not a punitive measure. It is a solution. There are things I don't want in my life, I get rid of them. Some things can be put away, some you can leave behind and others you can run off. Some times the most effective method is to destroy the thing. Putting people in prison makes the problem go away (temporarily) and causes confusion about punishment meeting the crime etc. It also costs money.

This isn't about justice, it is about cutting out a cancer. This isn't about vengeance, it is about eliminating a source of (what we consider to be) exceptionally nastiness. Either you want these people to have the chance to torture and kill another child (your child?) or you don't.



We are not just animals Flame. We are pack animals.
When an animal in a pack is considered dangerous to the pack it is either run off on threat of death or killed straight up.

1. Death penalty also costs money
2. Who decides which cancer you cut out, and which you don't?

[Amanda44]

I've never been in favour of the death penalty for a variety of reasons, mistakes can and have been made, I don't see death as a punishment, more like the easy way out and I don't see that murdering someone for their actions makes us any different.

These two people are sick, I want to kill them too but is that justice?

The problem is we don't seem to have an adequate alternative, prisons are not the places they used to be, over here they have as many rights as the rest of us bar their freedom, they have tv's, books, game consoles and basically a life free from the daily concerns the rest of us have, if in there long enough they become conditioned to having everything provided for them and then can't adjust when released and end up committing more crimes just to get back inside.
I don't call this justice either.

To be fair, I have no idea what the solution is but both death and prison are too easy an escape for people of this nature. Being that they have their own severe problems probably the best solution is to 'fix' them and then let them live the rest of their lives with the knowledge of what they have done - on top of being incarcerated.